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11/13/2012 9:16:00 PM
Editorial: Secession is a ridiculous notion

From the time the last vote was counted in the 2008 General Election and the American people elected Barack Obama as president of the United States, the badgering between all of this nation's political factions intensified, primarily between the Democrats and the Republicans.

The word "consensus" was lost upon politicians. The Republicans blamed the Democrats for the nation's fluttering economy, joblessness and the real estate market bust. The Democrats heaped fault on the Republicans for the crises that America found itself in when the Great Recession began to take hold.

The American people were caught in the middle of the verbal melee for an intense four years, and were exhausted by politics during this election season because of the nasty name-calling that reduced campaigns to the likes of schoolyard fights.

Now that the voters have spoken and elected Obama to another four-year term, groups of citizens have taken up the cudgel.

According to the Washington Times and other news sources, the administration's "We the People" website is flooded with petitions filed on line from states seeking to secede from the United States. Arizona is among the upwards of 23 states that had submitted petitions at press time on Tuesday.

In order to be considered, petitions must have at least 25,000 signatures within 30 days of the filing. Texas reportedly had 25,000 signatures by Tuesday morning.

The wave of petitions began almost immediately after the Nov. 6 election, and has escalated. It will be interesting to find out - if we ever do - the origin of said petitions and who actually got the idea rolling.

According to the Times "Inside Politics" political blog, former Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado said "there are worse ways to blow off steam" among those disgruntled over Obama's re-election.

"I love it," Tancredo is quoted on the blog as saying. "This is one way to at least express some frustration and anger, and I think it's a great idea."

Yes, we have to agree that Americans are frustrated, but seceding from the United States is balderdash.

That states could become sovereign nations, set up their own governments with all the necessary infrastructure and support themselves is a ridiculous notion.

On the night of the election, when Republican candidate Mitt Romney gave his concession speech, he urged unity and compromise. Obama did much the same and noted that together Americans stand, but divided we fall.

Now, it seems that "We the People" have taken up the baton that will continue to tear this country apart.

What a sad comment this is. The American people have screamed for unity among their leaders.

Some, clearly, are not willing to do the same.


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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Thomas Jefferson

OK...you asked. I got the idea (borrowed from Mr. Locke and Mr. Mason) rolling about 240 years ago with these words: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: The Rev

From the public I have heard no screams for unity only continued loud chants demanding partisan purity. Compromise is despised by Blue and Red. Will it be the only subject they agree upon?

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Gitoutta Arizona

What happened to the "real" Arizona folks that I grew up with? You newbies to Arizona are proving yourselves to be a huge pack of nutcake teabaggers!

If you want to secede from the United States...all of you band yourselves together and go find an island somewhere and start your own "state" or country. I'll donate the first $100 toward your purchase.

Pack up your guns, dogs and uncivilized attitudes and get the hell out of Arizona...we do not want or need you, your money or your whacko mentality here. We lived in a civilized, beautiful state before all of you got the Arizona twinkle in your eye. Go away!


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: J. Madison

Editor - you do not make a very well articulated or persuasive argument against secession . . . you just denigrate the idea with no reasoning. B/t/w, Texas does not need permission to secede. As an independent republic prior to its entry into the US of A, it has a legal right to withdraw. The real issue here is what the current administration is doing to this country by way of divisiveness and creeping authoritarianism. Much like A. Lincoln did in his day, huh?

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: There Is

Also a petition on the same website that demands those who are signing the secession petition lose their citizenship and be exiled.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Given how often we hear (falsely) that it's the �Red� states that are the biggest �welfare� states. You would think the editor and the likes of Tom Deck would be happy to cut those �Red� states loose then move to one of those lovely �Blue� utopias like Trenton, Philly, New York, Chicago or Watts. Of course, it's entirely likely that this editor, like Mr. Deck, is comfortable, even pleased, with being the recipients of this territorial welfare. The truth is AZ gets about a 19% return on our Central Government taxes. That is to say, for every dollar we send to the Palace in Rome (excuse me, I mean D.C.) we get a dollar and 19 cents back. Of course, that's a per capita average and many receive nothing while a few receive much. Other States, like Texas (which has two petitions going and the most signatures of any State) only gets about 94 cents for every dollar. http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-spending-received-dollar-taxes-paid-state-2005


So, clearly are no good reasons for the �Blues� to set the �Reds� free, but two very good reasons to keep clinging to them. 1) Many �Blues� live in �Red� States and they like getting more than they pay for, and 2) They have to keep those States that pay more than they get around so they can keep getting what they don't pay for. So, yeah, secession without armed resistance just isn't going to happen. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Old Timer

Actually, before you chose to ridicule the concept of the breakup of the American Republic, it might be wise to study the issue in a bit of depth. For example, the book American Nations, by Colin Woodard examines the various socio-cultural areas of the country and interestingly those areas mimic the voting patterns fairly accurately.

Different cultural areas, of which Texas is partially one, hold varying priorities reflected in their voting patterns. The Southwest, the Northeast and so on hold other priorities. There is no gurantee that a single nation will forever comprise the center of North America. Canada likewise faces similar forces based in Quebec while northern Mexico and Southern Mexico also hold different cultural values. Nationhood for any of the three is not necessarily a permanent condition.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Mike Bates

Regarding your generalization "Americans are frustrated," I'd say speak for yourself. I'm quite happy about the election and the fact Obama won a second term, and the only thing that would make me happier will be to learn that that flake Jeff Flake lost his race for the U.S, Senate when Ken Bennett finally gets around to counting all of the votes.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Willis Bouchey

Read where NASA has this plan to go to Mars. To be able to afford it, they're plan is to recruit seniors willing to make it a one way trip.
Ironic, just caught a bit of the Duke, with the original Rock, in the Undefeated.
Sounds like the same story.
Loved the part where the guy with the feather in his hat, reluctantly admits he's in no position to whip out his pistol to protect himself.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: the wino

I WISH GOVERNOR JAN BREWER would get on board with TEXAS!
STOP sending TAXPAYER $$$ to Washington,D.C.
"WE THE PEOPLE" can "GET-UR-DONE without the U.S. GOVERNMENT screwing-up OUR LIVES.

ps: welfare would STOP on the 1st day!


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: One of The People

Secession may not be a viable answer, as we fought a War Bewteen the States in 1860 over this. There is a constitutional alternative, however. The States can call a Constitutional Convention which can alter, rewrite, or even undo dissolve the US Constitution. This, I suggest, is the way to go.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Yukon Jack

Not only is secession a silly idea and circulating petitions a waste of time, it's unconstitutional. The SCOTUS ruled a long time ago (Texas v White) that our union is perpetual and insoluable.

That's right folks, the South never seceded, no matter what your grandpappy told you. They TRIED to secede, but the union properly put down the illegal insurrection. We would do better trying to right the things we see as wrong through proper channels elections and legislation.

We're a nation of practical and pragmatic people, and we've been in worse times before. The sooner the racists accept that there is a black man duly elected in the White House (for a second term) and drop all the foofaraw over where he was born, the sooner we can go on to solve our problems. Do this or the nation will go on without you and you will be left out of the conversation. And rightfully so.

May God bless the United States of America.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Tom Steele

The tree of Liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of Freedom or something like that. And your misuse of "We the People" as an expression is deplorable. Since these words start the U S Constitution I take offense of misuse. This administration and President Obama has been a large abuser of the constitution and violate its tenants on a daily basis. This is not to say other presidents have not abused our founding document because they have but we must restore allegiance to "The Constitution".

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: James Madison

And if Romney had won, all you Libs would be screaming foul and threatening to move to Canada. And this newspaper would be right in the middle of it, giving the left its overwhelming support, per the usual.

It's amazing how one day after the election was over, the Libs were calling for unity, harmony,peace, and bipartisanship, let's all work together for the 'common good'.

But, within three days, after they realized there was still resistance to their socialist agenda, they were back to their disparaging ways, condemning anyone who still disagreed with them as lunatics, racists, and right wing fanatics.

On the other hand, however, if Romney had won the election, the Liberal minions would be burning buildings down by now and refusing to submit to the Conservative victory.

Get over it. The country is divided, and this problem isn't going away any time soon.

Fact: The states that had voter ID laws all went Red. Those with no voter ID laws went Blue. Do the math.

Secession probably is an overreaction, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially when 60% of the sovereign states are continuously steamrolled by dead and fictitious voters.

19,000 to 0 in 59 Pennsylvania precincts. C'mon, even you most zealous progressives don't believe that nonsense.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: DragonMaster 6

This America is more divided now than even when I came off of a C-130 in 1970 being called a, "Baby Killer!"
This is caused soley and exclusivly by the polititians we have decided are much more capable than Americans to think, provide and cost the Americans our really true freedoms of, an incredibly large mass of unique individuals with varying skills knowledge and choices working together to obtain a commonly accepted goal of preserving our freedoms first and foremost! This manipulation from politicians are not from the, "True Government" of America as the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but solely for the purpose of creating and feeding the devisive-ness of having us at each others throats. The responses from our local home town paper mean's nothing but acting as an indicator of what is happening in America currently! Has anyone ever heard the term, "Divide and Conquer?" This is the true purpose of political agendas in todays America!!


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: matthew burns

The only problem is none of us got to pick the president. its the electoral college. If we want to seceed its our right as a former stand alone republic. Take your america and shove it. we dont need you our your liberal ass president.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Oh Really?

So Arizona has jumped on the secession bandwagon. I agree with Senator Tancredo. It's a harmless way of blowing off steam. Signing a petition doesn't cost anything. The signers understand that it isn't going to happen. It's just another inexpensive way to flail at those windmills.

Arizona could never generate enough money to support itself. Case in point: the Arizona Border fence. Az. State Senator Steve Smith said at the beginning of that fiasco that "$50 million would be a good start". After 18 months there is about $1.6 million in that fund. Or somewhere.

Maybe the petition signers could hold a statewide carwash or bake sale.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Ghost Past

Is it balderdash? Perhaps. But, here we call it toro poo poo.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Roger Williams

So is worrying about it.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Mrs. Butterworth

Another word that correctly describes the secession foolishness is "bullpucky".



Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: The air escaping from your mouth

I fully expect a trendy flow of balderdash, poppycock and vacuousness air escaping between clacking denture and finger waging neo- Confederate occupying the Governor's office in Arizona. How do you compromise when one party insist on lies? Better to spend the time disabusing them of their bad information. Then, we can come to compromises and agreements when we are all working with facts and an accurate model of reality as best we can determine.



Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Tom Von Deck

I agree, but balderdash? Really? I believe the correct term is poppycock.


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