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11/7/2012 10:00:00 PM
Editorial: Time has come to work together
The Daily Courier

Now that a majority of American voters have chosen President Barack Obama to lead our country for the next four years, we have another choice to make - and it is a vital one: We must stand together, not forget our ideals and that we are the greatest country in the world.

No one can deny that recent times have been among the most divisive in our country's history. The campaigning leading up to Tuesday's election was nasty. What American was not relieved to see that the venom between candidates vying for office had vanished overnight when television sets went on Wednesday morning.

We have watched the partisan bickering from the time Obama took office four years ago. Both major parties are guilty of refusing to settle disagreements and work out compromises on behalf of the people who elected them. And, the talking heads on major television networks have done their best to perpetuate their own viewpoints in the name of broadcasting news, when in fact they were using their venues to promulgate their political opinions and persuade the American people to their respective sides.

In his victory speech to the nation Tuesday night, Obama acknowledged that he and his Republican opponent Mitt Romney "may have battled fiercely, but it's only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future."

The president applauded the Romney family for their contribution to America through public service and said he looked forward to meeting with him in the near future "to talk about where we can work together to move this country forward."

When Romney conceded the election to Obama Tuesday night, he said, "The nation, as you know, is at a critical point. At a time like this we can't risk partisan bickering and political posturing. Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people's work, and we citizens also have to rise to the occasion. ... I believe in America. I believe in the people of America. And I ran for office because I am concerned about America. This election is over, but our principles endure. I believe that the principles upon which this nation was founded are the only sure guide to a resurgent economy and to a renewed greatness."

The president also noted "the belief that while each of us will pursue our own individual dreams, we are an American family and we rise or fall together as one nation and as one people."

We, as Americans, must listen to what each man said election night and take their appeals for unity to heart and stand united.

They have made the pledge. It's up to the rest of us now to follow their lead.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Sheesh Deluxe

Prescott, AZ: a game reserve for the last of the endangered Tea Baggers. Pease, no flash photography, facts or new ideas. They frighten very, very easily.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: @conservative Independent

None of the things you cite are socialism, which just goes to show you don't know what it is. Regulation is not socialism.
For example the government didn't take over medical care.
Obamacare retained all of the aspects of the medical system before Obamacare . Private doctors and healthcare professionals, private hospitals and clinics, private ,for profit health insurers all still involved in healthcare. Medicare and Medicaid are programs that predate Obama and even that relies on private facilities and doctors. The only socialized nationalized healthcare is the VA and that has it roots dating to the early 1800's. well before Obama took office.
No takeover of auto companies. A government loan to them, which they are paying back. It was done as a last resort because at the time their was no private lending money available and even Romney agreed with it after it was shown to be successful. Again, not socialism.
And while there was a bailout of the financial sector, that was proposed by Bush and contrary to your claim, those companies were not taken over by the government, again not socialism.
Further you complain of high taxes. You seem ignorant of the fact that our top rate of 35%, plus no inheritance tax, plus only 15% on capital gains are some of the lowest in the last 100 years
As far as controls go, let's go back about 50 years when the top tax rate was 91%. In those days the government regulated routes and rates charged by airlines, freight trains, trucking, and merchant ships. Still not socialism, but more control than today. Additionally there were limits on what rates lenders could charge in interest( remember usery laws?)
In those days, you could only rent your phone( not purchase) and there was only one phone company in each region, and the rates charged for service were regulated.Again not socialism, but government control.
Natural gas rates, likewise regulated.
Sorry Mr. Independent, but that's what happens when you get your facts from Fox. Seems the polls that they were telling you were accurate were wrong too.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Voice of Reason

I always enjoy and agree with Mr. Bergman's comments. It's obvious to me that he has a better take on what (caused) needs to be done to get our great country out of this economic and political gridlock aka: Obama Land. Instead of attacking him, read his post and absorb the content, don't lash out at him, because deep down you know he is right.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: The new America

Arizona & Texas are seceding from the union soon!
We will not be subject to the obumer rules!
We will be a state run government!
Look it up, it is in the works!

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Shano O, you can't even tell the difference between an email address and a web address so it's hardly surprising that you didn't notice the Dems being just as bought and paid for as the Reps. More, if that were possible. And "efficient?" Please, pass the hookah, you're hogging all the smoke. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: shano o

No Chris, we just want government that operates efficiently. Something that never happens when the good old corporate owned GOP is in power. The Dems may be bad, but they are not as bad as the GOP. Time to move forward, America rejected giving the nation away to the rich and Multinational powers- and we have more to do on this matter. but by all means, keep having a tantrum while we solve the real problems America faces.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@ “Dear Chris”, no, I'm not ignoring that Adelson and the Kock brothers want stuff. That's how the “modern” game of politics is played, isn't it? Vote for the candidate you think will give you the most stuff. Since both candidates are going to make you pay for it whether you get stuff or not, you might as well vote for the candidate you think will give YOU the most stuff. You know, get your money's worth and all that. But in case you didn't notice, Romney lost, making the argument moot. AND a vote for Romney was not necessarily a vote for bigger government while a vote for Obama inherently was.

@ “OB”, you can “propose” anything you like, nothing I said to you or about you was an insult. How you receive what I said remains entirely your problem. If I were to say that you are shallow, vapid, callow, naive or prosaic, that would be no more insulting than if I called you a nurse as these things are merely, observably true, and the truth is not insulting, it's just true. Again, how you handle that truth is not my problem. In that vein, I reiterate, nobody has said, “everyone who voted for President Obama is on some sort of government handout program.” No one even implied it. This is an intentional misrepresentation, made up by you, of truths clearly in evidence. What has been said and what is obviously true (in spite of the many protestations to the contrary), is that those who voted for Obama were voting for more free stuff.

@ “I beg to differ”, so you voted for “core values” did you? Okay, I'll take the bait, please tell me three of the core values that caused you to vote for Obama and how you expect each of these “values” to express themselves in this administration over the next four years in a way that does not result in someone paying for benefits for another. I am honestly curious to know.

@ ALL OF YOU, you voted for Obama because what you want is for government to DO stuff FOR you. We already know this is what you want. We already know this is what you're about. We accept that the modern definition of Liberalism is wanting government to PROVIDE for people what they cannot or will not do for themselves. We know this. You know this. Why are you ashamed to admit it? bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Conservative Independent

To: @conservative Independent

In the past two hundred and thirty six years, our country has become the greatest (and most wealthy) nation in the world based on a philosophy of self reliance, limited government, and capitalism. Obama and his democratic cronies represent a move away from this philosophy. The Democrats (liberals) seem to think that more government, a proactive nanny state, and socialism will generate wealth and solve our problems

In you’re your post, you state that we are not headed towards socialism, but a quick look at the facts demonstrates the fallacy of your statement. Since Obama took office, the government has taken over two major automobile companies, a large sector of our financial institutions, and passed Obamacare (nationalized medicine) all of which represents a governmental take over of huge piece of our economic infrastructure. In addition, this whole idea of wealth redistribution, that seems so dear to the Democrats, comes directly from the ideas Carl Marx. Indeed, the idea of increasing taxes on the wealthy (who create 50% of the jobs) so they can pay their “fair share” is the very embodiment of socialistic thinking. This whole idea represents class warfare at its greatest (we need to punish the evil Bourgeois).

The outcome of last Tuesday’s election represents a move away from the traditional values that have made this country prosperous towards a big government nanny state with a socialistic political philosophy. Historically this type of government does not generate prosperity and is destine to eventually fail. I say his not because I want our country to fail, but because these are the consequences of the path we have chosen.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: shano o

Here is a very good discussion from David Frumm, David Gregory and Joe Scarborough. Republicans should be doing some soul searching and here is a good place to start:
David Frum states,

"..The real locus of the problem is the Republican activist base and the Republican donor base. They went apocalyptic over the past four years. And that was exploited by a lot of people in the conservative world. I won't soon forget the lupine smile that played over the head of a major conservative institution when he told me that our donors think the apocalypse has arrived. Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex....Because the followers, the donors and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces the nature--I mean, it's just a simple question. I went to Tea Party rallies and I would ask this question: "have taxes gone up or down in the past four years?" They could not answer that question correctly.... But you have to know that taxes have not gone up in the past. And "do we spend a trillion dollars on welfare?" Is that true or false? It is false. But it is almost universally believed. That means that the leaders have no space to operate."


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: shano o

well, I was going to post but Chris Bergman has taken over the thread by touting his blog and insulting people. Wish there was more introspection on the part of the GOP, blaming the loss on lies or false accusations will never lead to improvement in GOP election results.

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: @consevative Independent

All I did was agree with your proposal that the republicans let the democrat's policies go into effect.
I did attempt to point out some of the flaws and inaccuracies in your logic concerning the future if said policies were to go into effect. You offer no facts, only speculation.
Further, we are not Europe nor are we in danger of becoming Europe. We should not make decisions for our country based on fear. We are no more socialist than we were 5 years ago and we will be no more socialist 5 years from now.
However , it is unsightly that you would cheer on your predicted demise of America.

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: Tea Baggers

Conservatism is in its deaththrows, they will adapt to the modern era and become relevant or die out with a whimper. Hate is not a sustainable policy.

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: Conservative Independent

To: @conservative Independent and moderate independent

One of the tests of a real prophet is to wait and see if the prediction comes true. With four more years of Obama and two years of a democratically controlled Senate, we will have the perfect opportunity. Will be better off in four years than we are now? I think not. The liberal delusion of a prosperous country fueled by big government, high taxes, and socialism is a pipedream. Historically it has never worked and it won’t work now. One only needs to look to the European countries that follow this philosophy of government to see the truth. Oh well, like a rebellious teenager, some people need to learn the hard way. I just hope after this lesson is done we still have a country to rebuild.

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: Mr. Bergman, I beg to differ

You said: “I said that those who voted for Obama voted for more stuff from government.” Sorry, but that was not my rationale for voting to reelect President Obama. I voted for a person who had core values. I voted for a person who would represent all the people, not a select few. You do of course realize that your statement is a generalization and all generalizations are false because they are generalizations?

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: open book

Good Morning Mr. Bergman. I propose that you write about what you think, and if you disagree with what I write, then you write a cogent argument in favor of your position and against my position. Making things up about me, then insulting me for those things isn't going to contribute to anything meaningful. PS - you might want to read some of the comments posted on this thread so you know what people are saying.

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: Dear Chris

Amusing to hear you and others rant about people wanting "stuff", totally ignoring the myriad of reasons why the Republicans lost. And that is just perpetuating their problems.

I heard an interesting comment that other night about the "stuff". It was said," Does anyone really believe that Herb Adelson and the Koch Brothers don't want more stuff? What about the banks and insurance companies? For them, there is never enough stuff."

Interesing thought.

Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Well, “OB”, I'm not the only one who DIDN'T say “everyone who voted for President Obama is on some sort of government handout program.” In fact, I'm quite sure nobody did.
Second, it's not an insult if it's the truth. If the truth hurts, maybe it's YOU who needs to change.
Finally, I have no “job” to accomplish that leads inevitably to the destruction of the nation I love and the misery of her citizens. I'll leave that to you and your government goody grabbers. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: open book

Dear Mr. Bergman: I will restate, "Pitching insults at one another will not get the job done." By the way, I did not specify which people thought that, and I wouldn't know if you did or not because I do not read your posts (unless they are addressed to me). Have a good evening.

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

“Open” Book, you are guilty, again, of an intentional misrepresentation of the facts. I, for one, never said everyone who voted for Obama was on a government program. I said that those who voted for Obama voted for more stuff from government. Those two issues, while similar, are NOT the same. Please have the decency not to conflate (look it up) the two. That those who voted for Obama did so to get more goodies from government is demonstrably true. It does not matter whether you want those goodies for yourself or for someone else. The fact is you DO want government to provide lots and lots of goodies. More specifically, you want government to provide all these goodies, paid for predominantly by those who do not get to enjoy the goodies. What does matter is that the number of people paying for goodies, they don't get to enjoy, is rapidly shrinking as more and more people are realizing they are NOT (and CANNOT be) obligated to pay for someone else's quality of life.

What this means, in a very real and practical sense (I know, two concepts you abhor) is that these goodies don't actually help those who are getting them because WHEN the system collapses (from too few people willing to pay for the goodies and too many eager to get them), those who have been getting the goodies will have nothing to show for it by virtue of the very nature that put them in the position to “need” the goodies in the first place. But YOU will have something to show for it, because all (or most of) those who had been paying for those goodies will either have been destroyed or they will have just up and quit. That is your legacy, a whole nation full of people who can't stand on their own and nobody left to stand for them. Actually, I know you really are very proud, though personally, I'd be ashamed. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: open book

I am just astounded that people actually believe that everyone who voted for President Obama is on some sort of government handout program. All of the people I know who voted for him, and myself included, work and pay taxes.

Granted I don't like my taxes being used for military actions overseas, but I'm not going to stop paying taxes because of that.

I'm hoping that the "If I can't have my way I won't play" attitude will grow stale, and that people who have differing viewpoints will begin to have a conversation, even a civil debate, and work together for the best solutions to our problems.

Pitching insults at one another will not get the job done.

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: It's Simple

There's a simple solution! If you are (like me) tired of seeing your tax dollars given to deadbeats, illegals, crooked politicians, sent overseas to help others (who hate us), etc. STOP PAYING TAXES. If half of the country (the half that didn't vote for Nobama) stops paying in to this dysfunctional system, we may bring them to their knees. We are the ones working and supplying the needed tax dollars for all of the deadbeat programs the government has in place. They don't have enough jails or prisons available to lock up half the people, shoot they can't even manage to lock up the 10 to 20 million illegals that are here breaking our laws and voting for the Democrats that will continue to support their deadbeat lifestyle. Protest by keeping your money, I think this will get their attention pretty quick.

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: Good News for Arizona

The percentage Romney won by here was only about equal to that for Mississippi, which is showing some progress. Yavapai County is, of course, the reddest of the red in, the State. If more of the people here would stick their heads outside of the bubble they live in and quit relying on local radio and Fox News as the source of their misinformation, we might do even better. The person so many of these people voted AGAINST for President does not exist, but is rather a mythicalogical entity invented by the haters and nuts who dominate the air waves. Anyway, America has spoken again an the disgruntled, excuse seeking, disbelieving objectors can either accept reality or continue to inflict misery on themselves and others by continuing to live in the fantasy world of Muslim, Marxist, Communist, Birther, tax raising, gun taking, death panel, job killing, country destroying mythology. By the way, OBAMACARE is here to stay, there will need to be a new boogie man issue to rant about in the 2014 mid terms, but who will the locals vent their hostility at since you have all Righties in this District now?

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@ Tony, perhaps I'm a little bit older, or maybe it's just my good (mis) fortune to have a somewhat longer perspective, but the hatred toward America began and was in full bloom well before 2000. Some (maybe most) of that is because of our constant futzing around in other country's affairs. Something we were warned against (wisely) by the founders. A good deal of that hatred is born out of simple jealousy. We have so much in this country while others have so little. But the wealth we have in this country isn't just a matter of luck. It comes from a combination of liberty and frenetic activity. Something most other nations lack.

Now we have in place an administration, put there by people who want government to DO more things and PROVIDE more things for them. These things necessarily have to be paid for by who don't benefit from them. Sure, you may bear some of the cost, but you don't bear all the cost. If you were willing to pay for the whole thing yourself, why, you’d be a conservative, wouldn't you? So, while you and others are getting stuff you're not willing to pay the whole price for, the difference is being made up by people who are paying the balance but getting less stuff than they're paying for. The important thing that keeps being overlooked is that the group paying for more than they're getting is shrinking, rapidly. They are already smaller that the group getting more than they're paying for.

So, Tony, if you wish to cast your baleful eye upon those who rather see this nation destroyed than compromise, look to those who demand to get more than they're paying for. Not those paying for more than they're getting. As one of those who has done far more paying than getting, I'm done. I see no obligation to keep afloat a nation, more than half of whose citizens would rather see in ruin than do without their precious freebees. Perhaps we should just call them the “Greek” party, hmmm? bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: Mr Maverick

We would like to work together but the State cannot even count. Why do we have over 600,000 uncounted votes at this time??

Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012
Article comment by: Mr Maverick

The Republicans are already closing ranks to continue their policy of obstruction and failure. They did not seem to get the message from the election that their extreme agenda does not sit well with the voters. Expecting to pick up seats in Congress and win the Presidency now looks like folly. They lost in every category. Less in the Senate, less in the House and of course Romney is back on vacation. The days of white, Conservative old men running the country is at it's end.Republicans refuse to accept the new dynamics of politics and cling to their prejudices which will lead to their complete removal from office. We what politicians who are for all Americans, not just a privileged few.

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