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1/21/2011 9:55:00 PM
Letter: Gun death statistics are hard to ignore

EDITOR:

A yearly average of 29,500 gunfire deaths has been recorded nationally by the U.S. Department of Justice - Bureau of Statistics for the past 30 years in America. The six tragic deaths in Tucson were six of the 80 that usually occur on any typical day. As compared to the 6,000 military personnel lost in all foreign wars, including Iraq and Afghanistan, during that same time span, more than 880,000 Americans were shot to death in their own country. That's more than 560 per week. From 1979 to 2006, a total of 107,603 children and teenagers were shot to death.

The National Center for Injury Protection and Control and the National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Report of 2009 provide similar statistics.

Your readers should think about these statistics, then decide for themselves if guns in America are well-regulated, as prescribed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Donald Huard

Prescott Valley

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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011
Article comment by: L S

Sheesh- It is extremely ignorant of you to assume what anyones relationship with God is based on their opinion of guns. Murder is in the heart, and the choice of weapon is an incidental matter when a man decides to murder another. When Cain murdered Abel, God did not condemn the murder weapon but the man who committed the crime. You are comparing apples and oranges. There are NUMEROUS verses in the Bible where Jesus condones his people defending and protecting themselves with weapons. Taking guns out of the homes is not the answer to a violent society. Taking sin out of the hearts is!




Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2011
Article comment by: Not Again Chris!!

Wow, Chris, your reading comprehension is truly pathetic. Or you're blatantly ignoring/twisting what I write. You can't even quote what I write correctly. Therefore, since what I say is just beyond your comprehension and intellectual capacity for understanding, further debate is futile.
For a final statement, folks, when confronted with an extremist like Bergman, just use logic and facts and they will expose themselves for the raving (people) they are. People like Bergman believe that violence is the answer. They are the threat to democracy, because if they don't get their way in the democratic system, they will seek to destroy it. In his own words, "It is not the vote that keeps our politicians honest, it is the threat of violence." Isn't that a sentiment that Stalin would agree with.


Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2011
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Wow, "Not Chris", is that really your answer? "I'm not from Chicago, I didn't know"? You were able to research the current laws but not what they were changed from or why? The whole "World Wide Web" before you but you just couldn't "find" anything to contradict your misconceptions? Is there any wonder why I say you can't trust the left? You're a bunch of Fagins, protesting your innocence and harmlessness, all the while sidling up to plunge in the dagger.



When you're confronted by a leftist, folks, don't turn and run. That's what the 2nd amendment is all about. Stand your ground and make THEM run. Laugh at their transparent lies, mock them for their infantile attempts to con you. But DON'T let them get away with it! It is not the vote that keeps our politicians honest, it is the threat of violence. The knowledge that if they betray their trust, we might well become angry enough to rise up and do something about it. That fear disappears when we are disarmed.


And thanks "judge" for adding one more nail to the Leftist coffin. You never mentioned the criteria for your judgment, but I'll bet I can guess: Points are earned by telling the most lies, by feigning innocence, by attempting to redefine the argument, basically, everything that defines a leftist. After all, only a leftist would appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner over matters that are none of their business. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com


Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: And the Winner is...

Seems that "Chris" and "Not Chris" need a judge to end this p***ing contest, so here goes:

"Not Chris" wins. And, Chris ---you belong on a ledge somewhere.


Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Not Again Chris!!

Blah, blah, blah, absolutely nothing of substance or logic from the fountain of self-righteousness that is Bergman.
"But that's because, as stated earlier, the original laws, which BANNED gun ownership outright, failed. It's not that you didn't try, you just didn't succeed. And you know this."
News flash for you genius, but I don't live in Chicago, I'm not on the city council, I'm not the mayor, so I didn't try jack. What's the point in talking about overturned legislation? I keep the conversation relevant in talking about the law that is currently on the books. And I was consistent in my references to the current law, which was passed to conform to the Supreme Court ruling. Get a grip on reality, Chris. It's slipping, slipping away from you at quite an alarming rate.


Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Tom Bowden

shano o: I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. I have taken several "gun safety courses", they were, after all, required up to this year for a concealed carry permit. The idea you could look around at the attendees and simply "pick out" those that are "insane" is just incredibly foolish. First of all, you might want to look up the definition of insane. My guess is that the Tucson shooter is not insane. He may well be (and probably is) mentally ill but that's not insane. Seriously, get a clue.

Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Aw, did I hurt'ums feelings? That seems to happen a lot lately. Point out a few “factual indiscretions” and here come the waterworks. Well GOOD! It occurs to me that when you lefties complain about the right's “angry rhetoric”, it's precisely equivalent to the rapist who complains about his victim's squirming. Well I, for one, won't go gentle into that good night of leftist appetite for human cattle, led along by empty platitudes of “It's for your own good”, “It could never happen here” and “where's your compassion?” I have no compassion that requires I surrender my freedoms for your feelings. You're right, I haven't lost the right to keep and bear arms, yet. I don't intend to later, either. If I waited to complain until after I had, it would be a little too late, wouldn't it?


As for calling out liars, that's not an accusation, it's an observation. Allow me to demonstrate:


1)“Typical Bergman strategy accuse of being a liar and a "leftist" and run away.” I'm still here... not running, just waiting.


2)Yes, the laws of Chicago, Morton Grove and DC were all changed RECENTLY. But that's because, as stated earlier, the original laws, which BANNED gun ownership outright, failed. It's not that you didn't try, you just didn't succeed. And you know this.


3)“nowhere near as moderate as you just claimed.” Excuse me? Nowhere did I EVER claim to be “moderate.” The “middle of the road” is where you find road kill.


Here's just three examples out of the many available from our little “discussion.” So, what do YOU call someone who habitually lies? I mean besides, “Mr. President.”

bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Hasn't worked, Won't work

People that jump on the gun control band wagon every time there is a shooting simply want an easy answer to a very tough problem. It's just lazy.
We have something like 30,000 gun laws nation wide already on the books, many of them passed right after a shooting (remember the gun control act of 1968 that started it all, at least within my lifetime). Anybody that is willing to randomly shot strangers is not going to be stopped for a minute by a relatively minor offense of aquiring a weapon outside the law.
We need to do a better job identifying people with violent mental disorders and insure they get treatment. That will not be easy but it might actually work if we can do it. Another gun law will not. It will just make it 30,001.


Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: shano o

If we had required gun safety courses in Arizona, dont you think a certified gun instructor could be able to weed out insane people? This is the real crux of the matter. People have to learn how to drive a car and prove they know how before they get a license. I am SURE if the suspect in the Tucson shootings had to take a gun safety course the instructor would have had the same evaluation as the Community College. To those who say he could have bought one on the black market, why make it EASY for the mentally unbalanced to buy a gun? The harder it is for them, the less likely they will arm themselves, particularly with high tech weapons. He might have been able to get his hands on a Saturday night special, but making it as hard as possible for these people would be a GOOD thing.

Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Editorial Atmosphere

Why are comments being post about other comments verses the editorial?
It’s embracing the juvenile atmosphere, which takes on the appearance of meaningless noise. It’s wonderful to be able to write and express ones thoughts, though it’s tasteless when it is not a discussion with reasonable respect.
Freedom or the Press is one Foundational Rights, our founding fathers also considered important.


Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Willie Wankor

Hmm... every time I have ever had to point a gun at someone it has been to defend someone else.
Perhaps next time I will ask the victims opinions on gun control before I decide to intercede. bla bla bla.... amazing how many people are against guns until one is needed...


Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Article comment by: Sheesh Deluxe

How people on this board can talk about their love of guns and then talk about being a follower of Jesus is beyond reckoning.
Matthew 26:52-54 - Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."


Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Not Again Chris!!

Typical Bergman strategy accuse of being a liar and a "leftist" and run away. Your stance on science and religion are quite clear to all those who regularly read the paper online, and are nowhere near as moderate as you just claimed. Unless you’ve somehow tempered your fanatical zeal.
Regrettably for you and for the benefit of everyone, I only spoke truth, for that is what shall set you free. I literally said that that the Chicago gun law doesn't ban guns, it just restricts guns to private property. It does not attempt to disarm the populace. The law even says, “Firearms may be possessed only inside the dwelling.” This means you can own a gun and keep it in your house in case the "big bad government" comes to get you. Just because there aren't gun stores, doesn't mean you can't own a gun and keep it in your home. Just because you have to break down your gun for transport and reassemble it at home doesn't mean you can't keep a gun in your private residence. Guns are not banned in Chicago, only the commerce and location of possession is regulated.
Gun ownership and public carry of weapons are also regulated in Switzerland, which you claimed is “one of the safest places in the world” (Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011). Yes, Chris, even Switzerland restricts its citizens from carrying guns in public. If a Swiss citizen wants to carry their firearm in public, they must either be a member of the militia, which is required service, or have a permit from the “big bad government.” And, oh yeah, the guns stored at home by the Swiss militia are also regularly inspected by the “big bad government.” Therefore, the Chicago law is much more in line with the Swiss law, which should promote the public safety according to your own logic.


Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Your Poor Friend Ovie.

What a boorish bully Bergman has become. That's unfortunate, but it has become impossible to disagree with him without him accusing you of lying, even when others point out facts in direct contradiction to his statements (which he refuses to retract, by the way- instead averring that he has some undisclosed source that explains all, if we would only read it). So hostile and so typical of the deludedly self-righteous. Still waiting for an example of a right you have lost, although I must admit I am less interested in what you have to say each time you speak.

Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Today's Bust

Federal authorities announced charges today against 34 Arizonans accused of buying about 700 guns in gun stores in the state on behalf of Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel.
The arrests and seizures are proof that Arizona has become an iron highway for guns headed south of the border, according to federal authorities, who say they don't know how many weapons are being smuggled into Mexico every day.
Dozens of AK-47s, and .50 caliber rifles were among the semi-automatic weapons legally purchased in single-day transactions at Arizona gun stores by straw buyers paid by the cartel, said U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke. "This is a huge problem in this state. It is a strange phenomenon," Burke said at a press conference at a federal office in Phoenix, where guns similar to the types of those seized were laid out side by side on a table. "Drug cartels go shopping for their war weapons here in Arizona."





Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@ “Not Chris Again” You're lying (yawn) again. I never said the Bible was a scientific text. I said it made certain scientific claims that, at the time they were made, were not naturally knowable and that the knowledge was therefore supernatural in origin. The Bible is not a scientific text. It is a revelatory text. It is God revealing Himself through history because mankind is too dense to understand it directly. Apparently, you're too dense for even that.



The Current Chicago gun laws: PROHIBITS gun shops within city limits. PROHIBITS guns from being transported outside the home if “trigger ready.” ENFORCES a debilitating and continual financial burden on the exercise of this right (read “unfairly targets the poor”). AND THAT'S THE NEW “BETTER” LAW. This was enacted just last year after the SCOTUS' Heller v. DC ruling. The original law as an outright ban and was jeopardized by the SCOTUS ruling. Morton Grove was also an outright ban as was the DC law. The fact that DC is small doesn't change the fact that guns were BANNED from all but government hands. The very hands we have every reason to trust least. Caught you lying again.



You know as well as I the subtle danger of incremental encroachments on liberty. That's why you lefties use it so often. “There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” --James Madison. And again, you're caught lying. This is why you should never trust a leftist, they lie.



And yeah, I knew you'd be too afraid to read the book and have all that preconceived boloney clogging your brain dissipated. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com


Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: brett irwin

Dear Donald, while your numbers are correct, you fail to acknowledge the breakdown of these figures. The report is published by the CDC. Over 50% of these deaths are contributed to suicides. Accidental deaths are only 3 %. The remainder are due to assaults. The number of assaults have decrease annually an average of approximately 5% in correlation to the increase of LAW ABIDING citizens to carry firearms. ALSO, you fail to mention that law abiding citizens use firearms to thwart violent crimes more than 250,000 times a year. Just the facts please Donald.

Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Not Again Chris!!

"how about you boys and girls actually read the book? Naw, that would mean bowing to historical fact, and we all know facts only matter when they support your case." - Coming from a guy who thinks the world is 6000 years old, the Bible is a scientific text, and the mighty Swiss repelled a Nazi invasion, this is laughable.
"See Chicago, D.C. and Morton Grove, IL for PROOF of attempts to disarm the populace. ALL, until recently, attempted to ban firearms." - The Chicago law doesn't ban firearms, it merely restricted them to private property. The DC gun ban has been in place since 1975, hardly a recent development. But oh the horror that guns may be banned in 68 square miles of the US, which happens to contain the seat of government.
"everyone of you skipped over my assertion that the purpose of an armed citizenry is to protect against the rise of a tyranical government. Now there's a silence that speaks volumes. Not once did I mention a coup by the military" - And how do you think a tyrannical government exercises its tyranny? With a ticker-tape parade? No, through the military. And this usually starts with some kind of coup. See Chile, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, China....


Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Kenny Hicks

Too many of you anti-gun people are not dealing in reality. The problem is the person, not the gun. Example: remember all those kindergarten school killings in China last year? Done with a cleaver, not a gun. Does that mean we should ban anything that has a blade as well. People were killing other people before guns and they will continue to do so without guns. Is it really that hard to understand that concept? It's only human history after all. End of story.

Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011
Article comment by: yesterday & today

As police in Florida prepared for the funeral of two Miami-Dade County police officers gunned down in the line of duty, shots rang out Monday in St. Petersburg, on the other side of the state. Two other officers fell dead and a federal marshal was wounded. On Sunday, four officers were shot in a Detroit police station by a man who walked in, firing randomly. Two deputies were shot outside a Walmart in Port Orchard, Washington, near Seattle, on Sunday. A police officer is in a coma and in critical condition after being shot during a traffic stop early Sunday in Indianapolis. In Lincoln City, Oregon, a police officer was shot Sunday night during a traffic stop. The officer is in critical condition.

Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Here's an idea, rather than arm-chair quarterbacking by a bunch of wannabe know-it-alls (aka, y'all), how about you boys and girls actually read the book? Naw, that would mean bowing to historical fact, and we all know facts only matter when they support your case.


See Chicago, D.C. and Morton Grove, IL for PROOF of attempts to disarm the populace. ALL, until recently, attempted to ban firearms. Not my opinion, just a little matter of historical fact. Opps, there's those words again.


Oh, and I noticed that everyone of you skipped over my assertion that the purpose of an armed citizenry is to protect against the rise of a tyranical government. Now there's a silence that speaks volumes. Not once did I mention a coup by the military, that's your strawman. And yeah, that means I caught you lying again. So very sorry. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com


Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011
Article comment by: Nazis fight Russia, USA, England --but cower from Swiss1

Nice reply Ovie. It is ludicrous to think that Hitler would take on France, Great Britain, the USA, and Russia ---but be terrified of Switzerland!

Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011
Article comment by: Your Friend Ovie

Chris- A minor factual interruption: Switzerland did not stop Hitler. Hitler never invaded Switzerland. If he had, Germany would have cut itself off from the largest financial institutions in the world just in time for a very expensive military campaign. The industrial powers in Germany at that time, on whom Hitler relied for military apparatus and all of whom had extensive holdings in the Swiss financial system, would never have allowed this. The Swiss were neutral in the war. Speaking of honesty, old boy...

Now that I read the rest of your rant, you seem quite paranoid. I will gladly recant this apellation if you can provide me an example of your government oppressing you. From where I sit, it seems that your civil rights are continually expanding, just that you grow more afraid of losing them with each expansion. The only exception I see is SB1070, which likely will not affect you.


Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011
Article comment by: Not Again Chris

Seriously, you're rewriting history by saying that the armed citizens of Switzerland somehow stopped a Nazi invasion. Switzerland remained neutral by some military deterrence, but also gave huge economic concessions to the Germans so they wouldn't invade. The Swiss stockpiled well-defended, well-supplied defensive positions in the Alps, and the German military knew that the cost of invasion would be very high. The Swiss basically ceded the economic and population centers of the country to the Germans, but kept control of the rail and supply chains through the Alps. That's the historical truth.
You have no evidence that the US government or any state government is trying to cleanse all firearms from society. To say it's actually happening again proves your repeated lunacy. It's also lunacy to think that "the people" could stop the US military. They have tanks, aircraft, Apache attack helicopters, and oh yeah, the atomic bomb. If in some crazy future scenario that exists only in your head the US military tried some coup and establish a military dictatorship, they would steamroll right over "we the people." I've distinguished the military from the government, because the two are not the same. The government can be "empowered," which it is by the US Constitution, without empowering the military. Regulation does not equal prohibition. You are in desperate need of a dose of rationality.


Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@“Not Chris Again” First, Switzerland demonstrates that an armed citizenry not only could have, but in fact did, stop Hitler. An HONEST person would acknowledge that. Second, I have no problem with mandatory military service. Actually, I've encouraged it in these very threads and the idea of citizenship through military service has a certain appeal. Third, the right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with defending against some hapless home invader. If someone breaks into my home, I have no intention of messing up my furniture with their blood and guts sprayed across the living room. I have the home field advantage, I won't need a gun.
The purpose of maintaining an armed citizenry is so that private individuals can defend themselves against the kind of government you lefties want so desperately to empower. One that thinks government is the master and the people should just bleat sweetly, waiting for the bureaucratic shearers to come fleece them at their convenience. Well, in my opinion, that's a baaaad idea. One I have no intention of submitting to.
And you're right, no one is “implying” that we should “cleanse” all guns from society. It's actually being ATTEMPTED in small pockets across the country. But that hasn't helped those places, has it? If you want fewer “nut jobs” committing mass murder, then I suggest you demand your local constabulary start doing their jobs! Loughner was a known threat long before he took action, but the cops did nothing about it. Why do you suppose that was?
By the way, why do I assume the anti-gun folk are all lefties? Because they're the only ones who have something to gain politically from a dis-armed populace. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com



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