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8/14/2013 6:01:00 AM
Editorial: Gun owners should have to take classes
The Daily Courier


Once again, an apparent lack of care with a firearm has led to tragedy - and, no, it wasn't the gun's fault.

If the initial observations hold up, a Prescott Valley couple was planning a trip and the husband wanted to take a shotgun along. In preparation, he hoped to familiarize his wife with the firearm and asked her to hand it to him. During that transfer, the gun discharged and killed him.

Many people who own guns are very touchy about their rights, and worry about the possible ramifications of giving in to those who would infringe on those rights, even to the slightest degree. Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines become the inanimate topics of debates. Some folks think nothing more than a peashooter should be in the hands of the public, while others believe that what's good enough for the military is good enough by God for them.

Given the current status of the national gun control debate, it seems highly unlikely that Congress any time soon will add to the long list of laws already on the books regarding firearms. And that's why it's just as important as ever for all gun owners to learn or remember - and observe - the rules of firearm safety.

1. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded.

2. Firearms should be unloaded when not in use.

3. Don't rely on your weapon's "safety" mechanism.

4. Be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

5. Use the correct ammunition for your firearm.

6. Be sure the barrel is clear of obstructions before shooting.

7. Learn the mechanics and proper handling of the firearm you are using.

Too often people dismiss these concepts, and the incident on Monday was not an isolated one.

On June 7, a 4-year-old accidentally shot his father in Prescott Valley, killing him, with a loaded gun that was left lying around. Another local boy found a handgun while digging for worms a few weeks ago. Luckily, that one wasn't loaded. And in at least two recent occurrences - resulting in injuries - people accidentally shot themselves while cleaning their weapons.

It would be interesting to know how many gun owners have attended a gun safety or training class in the past five years. How about 10 years, or in their lifetime?

In Arizona, it is easy to obtain a concealed carry permit, though one is not required. Sadly, training to even carry a gun is not required here.

We are not talking about Big Brother - it's called common sense.

Be a responsible and safe gun owner.





Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013
Article comment by: Pistol Pete

@Michelle Star (phoney name) should be banned from any further comments until she learns some manners.

Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2013
Article comment by: DragonMaster 6

@Craig Arps:
Excellent response


Posted: Saturday, August 17, 2013
Article comment by: Gus Patrick

@ Stephen,

For a guy on the wrong side of the fence, your not a bad.


Posted: Saturday, August 17, 2013
Article comment by: Stephen Hogan

@Gus Patrick
Gun control advocate vs 2nd Amendment advocate and Constitutional Conservative, I guess we'll have to leave it at that. At any rate, I do respect you for fighting for what you believe in, even though you are wrong. Sorry, I had to throw that in. In that sense we have a lot in common.


Posted: Saturday, August 17, 2013
Article comment by: Gus Patrick

@ Stephen Hogan

According to the Congressional Research Service, in 2011 there were an estimated 310,000,000 firearms in the United States (not including weapons on military bases). According to Table 20 of The FBI’s Crime in the United States, 2011 report, 8,583 homicides were committed with a firearm, there were 19,392 suicides with a firearm in 2011 (Fast Facts – Center for Disease Control and Prevention), and 2011 boasted 851 “accidental” firearm deaths (again from the CDC). That accounts for a total of 28,826 firearm related deaths in the United States in 2011. And according to the FBI’s Crime in the United States, 2011 report, 67.8 percent of all our Nation’s murders were conducted with a firearm.

There were 253,108,389 registered vehicles in the U.S. (United States Department of Transportation) and there were 32,367 motor vehicle fatalities in 2011 (2011 Motor Vehicle Crashes: Overview, from the United States Department of Transportation). And according to the United States Department of Transportation, motor vehicle fatalities only accounted for 1.3 percent of all deaths in the U.S. in 2011.


Posted: Saturday, August 17, 2013
Article comment by: Gus Patrick

And Stephen you have missed my point. They are NOT accidents! Anytime a weapon is discharged it is either an intentional discharge, malfunction, or negligent discharge...PERIOD! It is the exact mindset that you are displaying, "oh, it was just an accident", that needs to be corrected!

My final point (which will hopefully demonstrate to you the extreme difference of a firearm)...why do you prefer a firearm over all those other items you listed that can be used to kill people, why do you not use one of them for defending yourself?


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: Stephen Hogan

@Gus Patrick
I agree about having a healthy respect of firearms, but the point I was trying to make is you can't possibly prevent accidents by passing more laws or regulations and there are thousands of items that are available that people are killed or maimed with besides firearms, and if you have to single out firearms for special legislation you might as well regulate everything if your main goal is to prevent accidents, whether you are killed or maimed by a firearm, drown in a pool, have a car fall on top of you, swallow poison fall off a cliff or ladder the end result is still the same. The top 10 causes of accidental deaths in the United States are:

1. Car Crashes, 43,200 fatalities a year
2. Accidental Falls, 14,900 fatalities a year
3. Poisoning by liquids or solids, 8,600 fatalities a year
4. Accidental Death by Drowning, 4,000 fatalities a year
5. Accidental Deaths from Burns and Fires, 3,700 fatalities a year
6. Death by Suffocation, 3,300 fatalities a year
7. Accidental Firing, 1,500 fatalities a year
8. Death by Gas Poisoning, 700 fatalities a year
9. Surgical and Medical Complications, 500 fatalities a year
10. Accidental Death Caused by Machineries, 350 fatalities a year

I would venture to say that the first six were caused by many of the items that I mentioned yet there are no attempts to regulate or license with the exception of vehicles any of those items. And despite the licensing of vehicles and the testing of drivers, car crashes are the #1 killer.


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

Sorry for my numerous annoying posts Michelle Star. I really like you and I apologize for wasting everyone's time. Mostly to the Prescott Courier screener who has to read my idiotic drivel.

I'm only 12 and I have an illness that keeps me home and this gibberish that I concoct helps with my anger management sessions. The doctor says I'm doing better but may need a little more work.

I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SCREAMING.

So don't be surprised if I hate you one minute and love you the next. I'm confused and sick.

I'm VERY sorry,
@


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @Michelle

Have any "dirt" on the Democrats? Please list them for me.

Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: Stephen Hogan

A few friends of mine recently obtained their "Concealed Weapons Permit" and told me that they had to wait 6 months for a slot at the class and that the courses were booked solid, which indicates to me that many people in Arizona in spite of "Constitutional Carry" of which I do believe in, are obtaining proper firearms training, 6 months to me seems like a long time especially if an individual has just received an order of protection from an abusive spouse, or any other type of credible threats to their lives. This is another area besides constitutional issues, where I believe mandatory training before an individual can legally purchase a firearm can be a problem, unless the police are going to provide protection 24/7 to every person who requests it, or are fortunate enough to be able to hire armed body guards. For me personally I went through the process of obtaining the "Concealed Weapons Permit" because I felt it was the right thing to do, in spite of having firearms training before I moved here and a having a "CWP' from New York. There are advantages, especially if "God forbid" you have to use a gun to defend yourself especially while defending yourself in court, not to mention reciprocity with other states that you may want to visit, or if you go out to eat in a restaurant that serves alcohol, providing you don't drink which is otherwise prohibited without a "CWP". Leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle is never a good idea. Sorry, Gus I still don't believe it should be mandatory.

Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: Boy Howdy

I have a gun safe that will only open with my or my wife's fingerprint. No combination, no key. I keep my pistol upstairs and locked. I can have it out and ready to fire in 10 seconds. Every gun owner should have to have their guns locked up. That would save a lot of lives.

Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: Thomas Paine

@ Gracie xx - excellent point, and 'being necessary to the security of a free state' clearly demonstrates intent that the citizenry has a right of defense against the government should it become tyrannical as well as defense against attack by others. So, training and background checks are both reasonable and prudent requirements for operator license / permit but registration (allows the government to efficiently disarm the populace as has been done in other countries) and restrictions on types of weapons systems are not consistent with the intent second amendment in my view.

@michelle star - please stop the ranting and name calling and try a well reasoned argument for your position.

@Gus Patrick - negligence is exactly what appeared to happen here and the consequences of that negligence has been significant. This is not an 'accident' (unavoidable or not reasonably foreseen) it was carelessness and negligence and should be reported on as such.

@tom Bowden - I disagree with your slippery slope argument as it is a logical fallacy. There must be some balance between rights and responsible execution of those rights (eg shouting fire in a crowded theatre is reasonably impermissible use of the first amendment while speaking out against those with whom you disagree is not).


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: Gus Patrick

@ Stephen Hogan

Thank you for exemplifying the very mindset that I am speaking about. When you can compare all those items you listed with a firearm, as if they are somehow just as lethal, that is why we have the issues with guns that we do. It is a matter of dismissing their legality as if it was just another "tool".
Sorry Stephen, but a firearm is nothing like a drill gun, or tire iron! If we take our country back to a healthy respect of firearms, as the framers of or Constitution had, perhaps we would not be having the debate about the 2nd Amendment as we do now.


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

YOU SAY THAT IF I DON'T CARE WHO BUYS A GUN THEN I AM SUPPORTING FOX NEWS?

WOW I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE HEARD IT ALL NOW.


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

The copy and paste function on your computer must be completely worn out by now.

I hope your not married, I would feel terrible for him, listening to the exact same thing come out of your mouth over and over and over and over and over again.


See, I can copy and paste also.


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

You make it sound like you have personally been a victim of some kind, tell me, have you ever been shot or shot at? No? then why the extreme views?

Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

So this guy who was convicted and cannot buy a firearm go to cabelas and they deny him. then he goes to a private deal and they deny him because we decided that private dealers have to do background checks too.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE BUYS A GUN FROM A BUDDY OR ANOTHER CRIMINAL WHO DOESN'T CARE? THUS MAKING THE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK LAW USELESS.


Now your ex still has a gun that he bought with his own money. Does it really matter where it came from at that point?


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: Gus Patrick

@ michelle star

You are annoying, and doing nothing to further the cause of legitimate gun control!


Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: michelle star

Because the Republican voted against universal background checks......

Does it bother any woman that this guy, your ex, 'Brady law number 9.' Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. Can go to an Arizona gun show and after being denied a Glock purchase at the Cabelas table that he can then go next door to the private dealers table and buy his Glock with no questions asked?

Then he comes over to see you.



Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

The copy and paste function on your computer must be completely worn out by now.

I hope your not married, I would feel terrible for him, listening to the exact same thing come out of your mouth over and over and over and over and over again.



Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: michelle star

Because the Republican voted universal background checks......

Does it bother any woman that this guy, your ex, 'Brady law number 9.' Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. Can go to an Arizona gun show and after being denied a Glock purchase at the Cabelas table that he can then go next door to the private dealers table and buy his Glock with no questions asked?

Then he comes over to see you.



Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013
Article comment by: michelle star

"to Blunt Truth: If one emotion laced, fact free rant changed your mind, well, let's face it, it wasn't hard to do."
I believe Blunt Truth was being facetious. Give the guy a break.

What's fictitious about legal private gun sales to anyone who wants one?
Where am I going wrong with the Brady law purchasing restrictions for the federally licensed dealer?
The private weapons dealer at the AZ gun show does not need to comply with Brady restrictions and can sell weapons to known dangerous people. Am I wrong?

Do you not care who buys a gun in this country? If you don't, then you support the Republican Party, Fox News and the NRA.

So it's ok with you and the Republican to privately sell guns to these people while the federally licensed dealer can't?
1. Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
2. Is a fugitive from justice
3. Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance
4. Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution
5. Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States
6. Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions
7. Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship
8. Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner, or
9. Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
10. Has a record of being a felon.

And these are the folks you and the Republican are protecting for their weapon ownership rights?

that's nuts and that is a fact.


Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

"why don't you go away"

HAHAHA, go away, HAHAHA. good one. You sure told him.


Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013
Article comment by: Stephen Hogan

@Gus Patrick
I have no doubt that you are sincere in your beliefs, I can't fault you for that. But there are just too many objects and circumstances that can cause personal injury or death due to unintentional negligence or stupidity. If you can place certain requirements on one object, in this case guns, what's to stop the government from placing the same requirements along with penalties for failure to comply, or the prohibition or licensing the possession of power tools and equipment, household utensils, small objects that can be swallowed, heavy objects that can be placed on shelves, barbecue grills, cigarette lighters and matches, car jacks and safety stands, ladders, household chemicals, prescription and over the counter drugs, the family liquor cabinet, swimming pools, ATV's, kayak's and canoe's, camping and sports equipment or any other item could possibly cause injury or death the list can be endless. It's just that there is a large segment of the population that are opposed to the legitimate possession of firearms by anyone other than the police, military and of course criminals who ignore these requirements without any regard. And will use any accident or tragedy to further their cause. Hence the fierce opposition.


Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013
Article comment by: Can't help noticing

to Blunt Truth: If one emotion laced, fact free rant changed your mind, well, let's face it, it wasn't hard to do. No problem, the world needs followers (one reason why organized religion is so popular). Some people want (need) to be told what to think.

michelle: You remind me yet again liberals are the most intolerant people on the planet. Blunt Truth pointed out that your posts on this subject are very repetitious and fact free. And, let's be honest just for a moment, they are both. Like many, you constantly state personal opinions and call them facts. He or she didn't call you any names, or suggest you had no right to post your opinion, or tell you to take your opinion and stick it. In other words, in comparison to you, took the high road. Since you don't seem to understand the concept, let me point out that people are not required to agree with you.



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