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4/6/2013 9:59:00 PM
Letter: Citizens have a right to protect themselves

EDITOR:

Your editorial concerning free shotguns smacks of undue fear and misunderstanding of the situation in whole. When Arizona enacted a concealed carry law, increased firearms violence was predicted, but it never happened and crime actually decreased. When Arizona enacted a right to carry concealed without a permit, increased firearm violence was again predicted, but it never happened, and crime again actually decreased.

The NRA was correct saying the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Citizens have a constitutional right to be able to protect themselves. Restricting their 2nd Amendment rights in any way is the wrong approach.

The "free shotguns" program in high-crime areas in Tucson is an appropriate answer to crime in general and for home protection. This program consists of proper firearms training, storage of firearms and the use of trigger locks before the shotgun is issued to a citizen. A shotgun is an excellent weapon for home protection as a round fired is unlikely to penetrate and be a danger to neighbors. The arming of good responsible people is a positive approach for home protection.

It seems that the media and the current administration is bent on restricting the rights of responsible people. Reduced capacity magazines and abolishment of semi-automatic weapons is their answer however it will accomplish nothing to reduce gun violence. One aspect, that of limiting the violence in video games and movies, has dropped off the prospective answer list. It makes me think that the Hollywood crowd, who fawn and dote on our "messiah" president, are immune to curtailing their role in corrupting America's youth. Hollywood's media exposure, and of course their campaign contributions, seem to make them exempt in finding an answer to gun violence.

Let's find sensible answers to gun violence and not restrict the responsible, gun-owning citizen. The Tucson program to issue shotguns to law-abiding people is a step in the right direction.

Garry Shumann

Chino Valley




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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2013
Article comment by: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

No I would have to say thats not enough for me, Truly I enjoy getting under your skin and making you fact check everything, I find great humor in how little of a life you have.

Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Jack May

@ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

Dearest Sam. Apparently you do not read all of "attentive listener's" posts. If you did then you would not be expressing an opinion based on your knowledge of half the facts.


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

TO: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein, who wrote: "Yes Im aware cheaper than dirt sells those, its where I buy mine. Now answer me this, do any of those high cap magazines that are for sale actually fire a bullet?"

What a question! No, they just provide the means for firing A LOT of bullets without reloading. Would you claim that this is unimportant?


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

TO: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein: Who wrote: "Your wife's father is a coward for doing that and he should be ashamed of himself for going to war and intentionally putting his fellow soldiers in danger by "acting" like he was shooting at an enemy."

Naw. not a coward, he just didn't want to kill another human. And, as far as "going to war?" He was drafted into a war that he did not want to be in because he didn't believe in the Nazi justifications for the war.

TO: Jack May, Who wrote: "@ Attentive Listener. Once again you blow forth huge quantities of hot air, and condescending remarks, that probably makes you feel superior, but in the eyes of others makes you look pompous, arrogant and contemptuous."

Another Conservative fact-free, insult-filled attack that does not address a single point made by Attenive Listener.

Are you completely incapable of responding with reaons and facts as to why you disagree? Attentive Listener's posts are courteous expressions of his beliefs. Where are yours?


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Jack May

@ Attentive Listener
Once again you blow forth huge quantities of hot air, and condescending remarks, that probably makes you feel superior, but in the eyes of others makes you look pompous, arrogant and contemptuous.


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

Your wife's father is a coward for doing that and he should be ashamed of himself for going to war and intentionally putting his fellow soldiers in danger by "acting" like he was shooting at an enemy.

Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

Yes Im aware cheaper than dirt sells those, its where I buy mine. Now answer me this, do any of those high cap magazines that are for sale actually fire a bullet? THEY ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS. BAN SPOONS BECAUSE THATS WHY YOUR FAT. Makes SENSE.

Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

TO: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein, continued

Today, I got my latest catalog from "Cheaper Than Dirt," (www.CheaperThanDirt.com), which despite the odd name, sells firearms accessories online. They are a reputable firm I have bought stuff from them a number of times.

On pages 12 and 13 of the catalog is a list of magazines for .223/5.56 caliber. Included are 30, 60, 90, and 100 round magazines, among others. Also listed are magazine couplers for 30-round magazines. All for the AR-15.

Is that good enough for you?


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

TO: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

What a dumb comment. No, I have never seen a 100-round drum for an AR-15. However, the advertisement was from a reputable online dealer in gun accessories, so I must assume that it is readily available.

Now, as to what I know. I have been shooting since I was ten years old. I belong to the NRA. I spent 6 years in the Regular Army and have fired everything from the 45 Colt to the Browning 50 cal machine gun, qualifying as expert with the pistol, carbine, and M1 rifle. I taught shooting the carbine and rifle for a while.

I have taken countless hours of civilian training with California and Arizona schools and have belonged to a number of gun clubs, depending on where I was living and working at the time.

I read omnivorously and have read extensively about gun violence, mass murders (latest, "A History of Mass Murder in the United States," by Grant Duwe (2007), and a lot of Gary Kleck and Don Kates.

That enough for you?


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Jasmine Tea

@Hooty and all the other anti-gun people.
If you disagree with what the Second Amendment says "shall not be infringed" get a Constitutional amendment. Quit trying to use prolific media events and accidents to make your agenda driven case.


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

So you people who are against mandatory background checks answer me this: say you approve of teachers and/or armed people at your kids' school. OK with you that the armed person has no background check? Of course not. Background checks are done all over the place. You have to have one to fill the pop machines at a school (literally, you do). Why shouldn't you have to undergo one to buy an AK-47 and a 60 round clip and 5 boxes of armor piercing ammo? Jeez.

Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: NRA, the voice of his master

Garry Shumann,"It makes me think that the Hollywood crowd, who fawn and dote on our "messiah" president, are immune to curtailing their role in corrupting America's youth."

He closes with an appeal to find sensible answers, which I find amusing to funny. Not that gun violence is serious, but no answers are to be found in political rhetoric and moronic conspiracies.

Personally, if I sold a gun, I would use a licensed fire arm dealer. Should that firearm later be involved in a crime, I would want a record. Same with theft or loss, I would want the record to show I'm no longer responsible for it.


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Attentive Listener

To: @Hobbes guy

A person knows nothing about guns if they have never seen a 100-round drum for an AR-15? That's a new one.

You should follow your own advice, but if you did I'm afraid you would be left with no opinions at all.



Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: @ R J

THEN STAY AT HOME AND COWER WITH FEAR BECAUSE THIS IS ARIZONA AND YOU WILL PASS MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE ON YOUR WAY TO WORK. GET A LIFE.

Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: @ Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

"I have seen 100-round drums advertised for the AR-15." YOU EVER ACTUALLY EVEN SEEN ONE IN PERSON? PROBABLY NOT, WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE AN OPINION ON THESE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: to Hogan !!

To Stephen:

Unfortunately this is not true. History tells us that in EVERY civilization one wants power and control over another. I wish you were right. I really wish you were. The labels thrown around here are not meant to make a point but to inflame. You know.... one is better than another. But the reality is that our society is about power and control. Guns just make it easier to have your way. How can you say you need 40 guns to protect yourself from the government. You are more likely to use a gun on your neighbor or yourself than anyone from the government.

We invade countries and waste our sons's blood for companies and money.

We spend billions on weapons we will never use, but comparative pennies on education. Power and control. Education will not give us power over anyone. Great idea but.... sadly just not true.


Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: R J

Protecting themselves from what? The only thing I fear are citizens who feel like they have to protect themselves.

Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

Garry: I have nothing against the folks having guns. Nothing. But can you explain why the NRA is totally against background checks before buying a weapon? The only reason I can think of is that some people will flunk it and won't be able to buy one. They cost a little money buy so what? Can you think why the NRA is totally against large magazines and semiautomatic weapons, when regular gun owning folks don't care? I think it's because the big money profits are in those products. I don't think they are looking out for folks like you Garry, I really do not. They very clearly spin into "us versus them", when it's really "we want to make money anyway we can".

Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

TO: Stephen Hogan

Of course!


Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Stephen Hogan

@Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein
No sane or rational person would take pleasure in killing another human being. But when it comes down to protecting your own life or the life of another innocent person from imminent death or serious bodily harm that could result in death, what sane person would hesitate? Not being armed could prevent many people from intervening as the risk would be too great. And yes you are correct anyone who carries should understand the legal ramifications of using deadly physical force. It is best to try to avoid conflict whenever possible especially if you are carrying a gun, ...


Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

TO: Coyote Contraire�

Who said: "@ Hobbes, I agree with your first comment."

Freedom Nut or not, you got the message.

Carrying without understanding the legalities is a bad idea idea.

Apropos your last thought. I was once working at something that put me in touch with police psychologists. They told me that most cops that killed someone, no matter what the circumstances, had a hard time after and needed counseling.

My wife's dad, a veteran of the German Army of WWII and eventually a POW in Russia told me that, because of the fear that he might kill someone, he never shot directly at a person but only in the general direction from which the other guys were coming. I liked him and I believed him.

You are right. Killing another human is not the same as putting a hole in a target - at least to most of us.


Posted: Tuesday, April 09, 2013
Article comment by: Coyote Contraire™

What Worries Me

Maybe Congress, the Administration or the populace is hell-bent on SOMETHING to try and decrement firearm deaths, or maybe they're not.

Most of the proposals seem at least a little specious, but one direction of thought is most worrisome: Are we (they) going to cook up new, maybe Orwellian definitions of sanity?

It's been said frequently that the Tucson, Colorado and Sandy Hook shootings were undertaken by obviously imbalanced, dangerous people, and that SOMEBODY should've noticed and taken "appropriate action", whatever that might mean.

So if you've suffered some serious setbacks in life, are obviously in an emotional toilet and mad as hell, does that mean you might be dangerous and should be prevented from owning? What if you're famous for suffering blistering attacks of PMS and screaming at your parakeet until he squints? What if you seem (or deem) to march to a different beat? What if you actually like tan cars? (only a misdemeanor in most states, for some reason)

I agree with Jasmine Tea (interpreted) that we could be approaching some very slippery creek banks here, and taking succor in a false and easy "safety" is a most dangerous threat to freedom -- a sure road to the Mount Everest of Patriot Acts.
^-"-^


Posted: Monday, April 08, 2013
Article comment by: Crazy People?

People like justa thought don't think or are just playing ignorant. It would be wonderful if we could keep weapons out of the hands of crazy people and criminals. It is asked right on the form if you are a criminal or have been adjudicated crazy. Unfortunately. we first have to determine who is crazy. That means doctors have to report the fact to some government agency full of the usual incompetents. After who know how long, this agency may or may not try to have said crazy person judged to be crazy. In the mean time the ACLU and other feel good groups will be fighting for the crazy persons rights. How long does all this take? Months? Years?

So, what do we do? We pass laws that punish honest and sane gun owners who don't hurt anyone. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to the gun hating Liberals.


Posted: Monday, April 08, 2013
Article comment by: Coyote Contraire™

@ justa thought,
Yeah, more ATF agents. They're a real trustworthy bunch.
'-..-'


Posted: Monday, April 08, 2013
Article comment by: Coyote Contraire™

@ Hobbes, I agree with your first comment.
I'm SUCH a freedom nut (believe in the legality of yelling "CHOCOLATE!!" in a crowded theatre, even if you don't have the M&Ms to back it up), that it's hard for me to have a problem with unlicensed concealed carry.

The problem is though I grew up in "wild Prescott" and have had firearms training since about age six, was a member of the NRA from the 6th grade (with more training by them), trained by the army and certified as "expert" in firearms skills -- I still wouldn't carry in a town without a permit, not without taking the one-day course -- just to get a refresher on the liability angle. (Carrying out in the boonies is different: Then it's for threats like rabid bobcats or mountain lions, whose families almost never sue.)

I'm not the quickest rat in the lab (maybe second), but even I can easily see two mandatory needs before one heads out to Fry's or down to the 'Row while packing: (1) Understanding both the civil and legal liabilities, and (2) having a grasp of the truly devastating nature of firearm violence, trying hard and honestly to answer the questions, "How will I feel the next day after I've killed someone? What about a year later?"

Regardless of circumstance the harsh reality of a shooting will never leave, will never change. Even when a life is taken to save another life, it's still a life taken. (And get a GOOD, secure holster, please.)
'-..-'



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