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11/10/2012 9:58:00 PM
Letter: Freedom devolves into welfare state

EDITOR:

Americans abuse their freedoms and they ignore the responsibility for being independent. We are allowed to kill each other on our highways, exceeding the death of all our wars. We take all forms of drugs, legal and illegal. We overindulge in food, knowing full well the health consequences. All of these and more "individual freedoms of choice" go unchecked until we are in poor health or poor finances and want others to come to our rescue.

The spirit of the Americans has become replaced with socialism, because people are enjoying the earnings of others. Our Constitution gave us freedom to choose and build our own lives, but not the freedom to abuse our lives and expect others to pay for the consequences when you are unable. This is not freedom; this is asking for welfare.

The co-conspiracy of the insurance companies and our government has compounded our overwhelming welfare state of America.

Kirby Hughes

Prescott




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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@ �Just Say�, so... you voted for Obama because he's everything you described Romney to be EXCEPT, he's not Romney. I see, well, as long as I'm buying that, do you have any swamp land for sale? The only real difference between Romney and Obama is the role of government in the people's lives. I.e. are we citizens or subjects under government. Romney (on the campaign trail) declares �citizens� but whispers �subjects� believing the people are too smart to knowingly give up freedom in the hope of gaining a little, temporary security. Obama proudly declares we are his �subjects� and smirks, believing the people would gladly sacrifice freedom for the pretense of security. Obama won. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Just stay with the STUFF line and remain Irelevant!!

Here we go again with the WEAK stuff lines. Stuff here and Stuff there. Everyday is Christmas.... NOT. It is just like
OBAMA is going to take away your guns. OBAMA caused the gas prices to go up!! OBAMA is the anti-christ.
Makes the argument to join the Norquist party more and more meaningless. I love it. You guys (as documented, mostly rich white guys) continue to shoot yourselves in the foot and head.

Come up with something compeling and not so childish.

I voted for Obama because the other candidate could not pass the smell test.

47% comment,

Could not carry MASS because he lied about his success there,

Signed a gun ban into law,

created Romneycare but did not have the cajones to stand up for his own product,

HUGE IOU's owed that were going to cost me the common man.

I laugh every time I see the parroting of the THINGS comment. The party of Norquist needs a new PR department.

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

Ya know what's really funny there, Bobby Boy, is that up till now my only comment on this thread was to say I didn't wager Romney would win. And I suppose you're holding yourself up as one of the “educated” folks? Tell you what, I'm glad to hear I and those like me (you know, those who don't want government giving us a bunch of stuff and don't want to keep paying for all the stuff government is giving to others) are no longer “relevant.” I suppose that means you won't be needing our tax dollars, either. THAT means you'll all be paying for your own stuff (finally). And THAT means... welcome to conservative economics. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: The Anti - Rita

@ Rita Stricker

You are such a hypocrite. "I broke my own rule about name-calling". So, I suppose all those previous posts in which you referred to law enforcement as "storm-troopers", and bashed those in government was not name calling? Not to mention the fact that, because you ARE a drug user, you have a personal/legal stake in their being legalized.
Because Rita, even if your precious pot is legalized tomorrow, it DOES NOT benefit me! So you can put your "which would free you, too" crap in your bong and smoke it!


Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Twilight Zone

@Bob Grant Once again you're living on another planet with your moronic comments.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@ Carol, you are mistaken, though not many educated in government schools could easily understand why. What the first century church in Jerusalem practiced was communism, not socialism. The difference is that in the early church people held everything in common. They all still owned their own stuff but shared freely with others AS THEY HAD NEED. There was no central distribution authority and they were not FORCED to give. Check out the admonition to Ananias and Sapphira (before they dropped dead for lying) Acts 5:1-11. It is when you introduce force that socialism begins to develop.

On an interesting side note, the first settlers of Plymouth, the Pilgrims, at first sought to establish a voluntary communistic society, just like the early church. Unfortunately, their charter from England required they include among their number certain ne'er-do-wells from debtor's prison. The upshot was that once the “non” pilgrims discovered they could have all their needs met without earning it, they stopped earning it. This led to a shortage of food and shelter. It also led to the Pilgrims leadership changing their minds and William Bradford divvying out parcels of land that each family or man might do with as they would for their own care and benefit. It is an valuable lesson, if people would only learn it, that the solution to want, and the path to plenty, are found in personal responsibility and allowing natural consequences for personal decisions have their full effect.


Ya know what's really funny there, Bobby Boy, is that up till now my only comment on this thread was to say I didn't wager Romney would win. And I suppose you're holding yourself up as one of the “educated” folks? Tell you what, I'm glad to hear I and those like me (you know, those who don't want government giving us a bunch of stuff and don't want to keep paying for all the stuff government is giving to others) are no longer “relevant.” I suppose that means you won't be needing our tax dollars, either. THAT means you'll all be paying for your own stuff (finally). And THAT means... welcome to conservative economics. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com


Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: bob grant

Dear Kirby ,Tom,Chris B and all you mean spirited let them die republicans.You woke up Wednesday the 7th of november and learned what most people of education knew on the 5th of November ,"You are obsolete and irrelevant .Go sit in your bunkers with your dinosaur thinking and the rest of us will go to work ,help others as we can,encourage the young ,and have lives improved by progress .Bye Bye.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Bergman

@ Carol, you are mistaken, though not many educated in government schools could easily understand why. What the first century church in Jerusalem practiced was communism, not socialism. The difference is that in the early church, people held everything in common. They all still owned their own stuff but shared freely with others AS THEY HAD NEED. There was no central distribution authority and they were not FORCED to give. Check out the admonition to Ananias and Sapphira (before they dropped dead for lying) Acts 5:1-11. It is when you introduce force that socialism begins to develop.

On an interesting side note, the first settlers of Plymouth, the Pilgrims,originally sought to establish a voluntary communistic society, just like the early church. Unfortunately, their charter from England required they include among their number certain ne'er-do-wells from debtor's prison. The upshot was that once the “non” pilgrims discovered they could have all their needs met without earning it, they stopped earning it. This led to a shortage of food and shelter. It also led to the Pilgrim's leadership changing their minds and William Bradford divvying out parcels of land for each family or man to do with as they would for their own care and benefit. It is a valuable lesson, if people would only learn it, that the solution to want, and the path to plenty, are both found in personal responsibility and allowing natural consequences for personal decisions have their full effect. bergman_blogs@yahoo.com


Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Gub Ment

I am a government emplyee and it's a great job. 8 hours a day, not very taxing, and good pay (not great) and great bennies. But most of all I don't have to work nearly as hard as I did in the private sector (doing the same thing). In fact nobody around me works what I consider to be very hard. And they call in sick a lot. Just sayin'. ......

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Tony D.

Kirby, since you seem genuinely concerned about public safety, you should know that states that have legalized medical marijuana have seen a marked decrease in traffic fatalities. And laws banning texting while driving have seemingly resulted in an increase in rear-end collisions, although it's too early to tell how they'll affect the incidence of more serious accidents. But don't expect to read those stats in the corporate media.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Carol Hubert

I'm amused by the juxtaposition of Robert Sisson's commentary and Jim Lamerson's letter. To add to Sisson's comments, look at Acts 4:32-34. What is now called "socialism" is what the early Christians saw as their desired behavior.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Bojangels, Clayton Lawrence

Kirby, you are right on target!
Welfare states and the entitlements is what got obama re-elected!
America is/has in some cases become a country of entitlements.
Many people, especially in the most populated states have thrown their hands up and surrendered to the government controlling their lives.
No sugar coating here: America is an over- indulging country full of fatty's and lazy's that want to dip into your icecream sundae and have you work for them if they can while they watch public broadcasting channels!
obama has opened shop to this mentality and people are standing at his doorstep for more handout goodies.
People need to realize that this will bite us in the butt in the next few years, all this has/is catching up to us four-fold!!!!!!
Mark my words America is headed for a recession for sure, possible depression in as little as 2 years if we head in this same direction.
We need change, and we needed it yesterday!
America is like a credit card that has maxed it's credit line and the interest is compounding daily, and each day it becomes increasingly more difficult to pull out of the debt and hardship!
America as a whole has no fight like we use to, and has given in to weakness and mediocrity!
I even saw the president crying the other day!!!


Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Rita Stricker

My bad. I broke my own rule about name-calling. (That's as close to an apology as you're going to get.) I should have said "Your irrelevant comments." I've never claimed, or wished for, the freedom to break the law. What I want is freedom from bad laws. Which would free you, too, incidentally -- is THAT what frightens you? Here it is -- Amendment 27 and a half: "Oppression of certain classes of people being necessary to insure a huge prison population, enrich corporations and secure the future of drug cartels, the right of the central government to arbitrarily ban the use of certain drugs shall not be abridged, the protections guaranteed by the Fourth and Fourteen Amendments notwithstanding." Actually, federal drug laws are commonly justified by its power to regulate interstate commerce, which does NOT give the DEA the power to raid grow houses in medical marijuana states. States DO have the right to ban drugs, but without massive infusions of federal tax money, most individual states would lack the resources and the will to wage war against their own citizens. Prohibition and freedom are mutually exclusive. Decide which one you want. You can't have both.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: The Anti - Rita

@ Dear anonymous anti-Rita

First, where is your defense of those like Chris Bergman, Tom Steele, Gus Patrick, and a long list of others that post here and are subjected to stupid, vicious comments?
Second, while you are correct that the Constitution the power of the Federal government, you are wrong in stating that it does not allow laws to "prohibit the possession of any commodity".
Third, there is no accusation of "breaking the law". It is public record and has been proudly proclaimed on this website by the person you are defending.
Fourth, do not presume to preach to me about "the courage to use his/her own name", when you yourself do not have the intestinal fortitude to use your own.
And finally, while you are wondering why my comments are allowed, why not read that 1st Amendment of the Constitution.


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Sheesh Deluxe

Four years and Kirby still hasn't looked up socialism in a dictionary? Sad.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Ah Texas!

The state that gave us GWB, Rick Perry and now Bridget.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: shano o

So interesting to see so many conservatives doubling down on blatantly false information. But some smart conservatives see what the real problem is the American people simply no longer care for the insults, the lies and the fantasy world created by the radical right. The next round in the battle between now old-line Movement Conservatives (like Boehner, McConnell, and yes, Steve Schmidt) and the Tea Party (Americans for Prosperity) types has started. Steve Schmidt lays out what needs to be done, trying to wrest party control from the billionaires and Americans For Prosperity financiers who now control the Republican levers of power.

He doesn’t name the billionaires, but calls out their surrogates — the Rush Limbaughs and Donald Trumps of the world — instead. In modern Republican-speak, “Limbaugh” is code for David Koch’s AFP. Here’s an excerpt of Schmidt talking about shutting down Limbaugh and Trump:

“It’s gotta be shut down, it needs to be repudiated by serious leaders in the party. Look, conservatism is a serious governing philosophy…. Conservatism shouldn’t be defined by fidelity to all of these crazy statements by talk-radio personalities, or by reality show hosts who go out and say outrageous things. And when you have these reality show hosts, like Donald Trump, who are hanging around with our presidential candidates, they are, by virtue of that, given some platform for seriousness, and they call for “revolution” on their Twitter accounts, after the president has been legitimately re-elected by the American people. It’s gotta be shut down by serious leaders in the Republican party.”

I, for one, would welcome the conservative party back to reality. The US needs all political actors to be dealing with truth instead of fiction.


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Hobbes2 aka Sam Brunstein

I can put it very simply:

A society has a DUTY to care for its own.


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: @ Bergman

Sorry, I mistook you as the ideologue who opened his Holland sized mouth. I checked the copy and it was two Retardican ideologues.
I know there were many out there who slink into the shadows now that they see the error of their ways. I too voted Johnson as did over 2 million. Why are we not mentioned?
In some states it was 50% Obama 47% Romney.. Where was the 3-4% WE VOTED OTHER because a vote for either was a wasted vote.


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Dear Bridget

"more smarter", really?

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Texas Educated

Bridget Yankowitz is right!

"Vote more smarter."

ROFLMAO!!


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Dear anonymous anti-Rita

The US Constitution was never meant to enumerate individual rights. It was meant to define, and thereby limit, the power of the federal government. And any powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved for the people or the states. (See Amendment 10) Nowhere does the Constitution grant power to prohibit the possession of any commodity, be it drugs or guns or raw milk. Federal drug laws are illegal. When you are ready to demand that your public servants obey the "laws of the land," maybe we can discuss why someone without the courage to use his/her own name thinks it's acceptable to accuse other people, in a public forum, of breaking the law, and why the editors see fit to publish your stupid, vicious comments.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Peter, Yavapai County

Kirby, You are correct, compassion in the form of health care for the poor and elderly is a form of "socialism". It all started with a radical liberal Jew named: Jesus.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!


Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Dear Mr. Hughes

I am a conservative, I get up every morning and push myself as hard as I can all day. I pay my mortgage and try to excel in my profession. I, however, do not want to live in a society where each is left to their own devices. That is a recipe for disaster in the modern age. To be competitive in the world we have to have a well educated, healthy work force. It is the price you pay as a country to compete. That is not socialism, that is smart. We can all act as individuals and let the world pass us by, or work together and lead the world. You mention health insurance as a negative thing. In these days of $3,000 mri's and $25 per pill (Imitrex) medications, how else does a regular Joe survive.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2012
Article comment by: Tea Baggers

So Kirby, you believe we should have the freedom to do as you say. Got it.


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