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5/8/2012 9:28:00 PM
Letter: Bicyclists annoyed Chino Valley driver


We were on the way to Prescott Saturday, April 28, about 1 p.m. There was group of about 10 or more bike riders in the traffic lane (not in the bike lane).

They would not move over. I honked my horn at them about five or six times. I had to slow down and cross over the double line to get around them; this was in the area of the Dells on Highway 89. We need to do something about these bikers that do not stay in the bike lane ... like give them tickets.

R. W. Miller

Chino Valley

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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: @ Car Drivers Unite

Mystery Man, there is no "r" on the end of my name, and it's not an internet alias, or nervous spelling. Why is it you're too afraid to attach your name to your opinion? I really don't get that. Perhaps you're not entirely convinced your opinion is solvent? Maybe you're afraid to? I'll leave you your reasons, but I'm not hiding behind a keyboard. I'm one of those cyclists on the road and I have a name - Christophe. (I'm actually a pretty affable guy) :)

Like you, I'm a member of the community. I have a wife, friends, family, responsibilities, and my hobby includes riding on our roads. You can threaten me, you can wax poetic about big bumpers and running down riders, but that doesn't change my name, or the fact I'll be out there tomorrow, on the road, carefully taking my portion of the shoulder and no more. I'm not threatening anyone, nor are the other riders out there. We're not arrogant, flippant, or unaware of the dangers. We're not nameless figures on the road's edge.

We just want motorists and cyclists alike to play nice. Take your space on the road, be safe, be polite and move on. Everyone agrees there are bad drivers, right? Well guess what? Some of them ride bikes. No one needs to threaten anyone.

So, what's your name Mystery Man? Are you not in fact brave enough to say it?

Christophe Noel (hardly anonymous or fictitious)

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: PO'd Prescottonian

This headline should have read "Bad Driver Complains about More of Same". And at that point it would cease to be news, because that happens basically any time any person talks about driving. That's why I don't listen to "rules of the road" rants anymore. All drivers are equally bad, just not all at the same time.

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: Attentive Listener

I'm glad to hear I am keeping you amused. While we are at it, allow me to entertain you a bit further.

Yes, it would be your fault, for not thinking that there might be a bicycle around that corner, when obviously there might. I do not slow down to 20 at every corner, because it is not necessary to do so to maintain control of my vehicle. If you are going to be hauling herds of cows behind your truck, perhaps you need more training in how to handle those loads. Most truckers do not seem to have to slow down to 20 in blind corners either.

You say you understand the law. So perhaps the problem is the lack of courtesy? It has always seemed to me that the tremendous power imbalance between pedestrians and bicycles on the one hand and cars on the other means that it is mostly up to the cars to be courteous. Give bikes and pedestrians a wide berth and get on with your business. If that adds five minutes to the trip, so be it. We are talking about courtesy rather than law now, so please understand, this is just my view on the topic.

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: Tom Babbitt

Cars are serious business, they weigh tens of times as much as a human and can travel many times faster than both bikes or people. Slow down, be careful and be courteous.

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: Really .

News flash: cyclists have just as much right to the road as automobiles. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
I think if most of the complaining drivers actually rode a bike, we wouldn't see as much of this sort of animosity.
Cyclists, good and bad, have to be more defensive to their surroundings simply because they are harder to see to drivers. Bikers must constantly predict and take evasive action to avoid accidents. Same goes for motorcycles. I believe this makes for better drivers in general.
Bikers who constantly run lights, stop signs, etc. are taking their lives into their own hands. Not smart, enough said.
This, however, doesn't absolve any responsibilities from drivers. I am a cyclist and a driver. I've never been afraid of safely passing cyclists on any road. It's all about analyzing your surroundings. If you don't know the true size of your own car, who's fault is that? If you can't negotiate simple obstacles, who's fault is that? Yours, of course.
Stop making excuses for bad behavior and use some common sense, people.

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: Car Drivers Unite

Well, well, if it isn't good old "Christophe". Nervous ninny, try to remember the "r" next time. I know you were in a hurry to get on with the whole "200,000" mile thing, but really, your own (extremely impressive) first name?

Next, why are you fibbing and distorting the discussion that's taken place here? Several bike riders did in fact make a number of clearly threatening, aggressive statements. They started talking about weapons and such before anyone else did at all. (I always wondered why those bikers' fanny packs hung so low.) They didn't simply make some informative, assertive comments like you claim.

Regarding "names" and all, you know, how valuable it is to claim this or that on the internet...well, I find that pretty booooring. Sort of like riding a bicycle for ridiculous amounts of time/distance. I always found that oblong- shaped seat pretty uncomfortable after a while. Especially once reaching the age of say 14 or so. Anyway, I think it's just much more fun knowing your "real" name and leave it at that for now. I get tremendous enjoyment in letting you think that giving your internet name and me not giving mine provides you some idea that you're brave and I'm not. That alone is well worth being a "mystery man" at this point. There, there, Christophe(r), you've heard all the old adages about "being better off NOT knowing some things", haven't you?

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: An American

@Attentive, I do underststand the law, and do enjoy your attempt to educate. As note by selfless arrogant commenters here, it would be much better to hit a cadillac than a two wheeler, 100% of the time its the two wheeler who is going a third of the speed limit, and less than 10% of the time is it a vehical. I do understand it is my fault for assuming around the next blind corner most everyone is driving in a logical manner....Im sure you slow down to 20 mph for every blind spot and should be commended for it.........As stated before, the only issue is ones ability to maintain the speed limit, and possibly liability insurance..

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: Attentive Listener

An American- In circumstances where there is a minimum speed limit, cyclists can be cited if they are going too slow. That isn't the case on the majority of Arizona's roads however. The bike riders in front of you and your cattle could just as easily be a bluehair in a Cadillac tooling along at 25, or the RV's and trailers that are frequently in my way. There is no minimum speed limit. The vehicle behind must slow down until they can safely and legally pass. That's the law.

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: @ Big E

I bet you have to stop suddenly way more often for other ... drivers than for the few bicyclists you might encounter on the streets around here.

Where is the outrage against other drivers?

I get it - for some reason bikes annoy certain people sitting in their cars. Just don't let that annoyance turn into something more with the tragic consequences that might result.

Have a nice day and everybody stay safe out there.

Posted: Friday, May 11, 2012
Article comment by: An American

@ Attentive, All this banter is comical and quite revealing, but the real fact is the speed limit, thats why bikes are not allowed on interstates, its a hazard. So until you can peddle your two wheeler 50mph for 20 miles or so, you are the problem..........Theres nothing more exciting than coming around a blind curve at 55mph hauling 25 head of cattle and find the road filled with bike riders just tooling along like they own the place..... You know good and well they could hear me coming, and yet they refused to move their hazardous obstruction over to the side so all of us would be safe. So in return, I get to tear my rig in half trying to get stopped, while completely rearranging a load of cattle, (or horses) and getting them all excited and possibly injured. And all I was doing was driving the recomended speed and trying to get home.......

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Leif T. Layne

No matter what else they do wrong, bicyclists can at least lay claim to being the only group that routinely go well under the speed limit and are NOT stuck in some apparent, but invisible tractor beam restricting them to the left lane and forcing everyone to pass to their right.

Given all of the zombies around here that still can't grasp the basics of a "passing" lane, nor can come to grips with the intricacies of the dreaded roundabout, even the worst of the bicycling nuisances are less insufferable than an increasingly large segment of the local driving population.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Kenny H

@Sheesh Deluxe--Bicyclists are required to follow the same rules of the road as cars. If they can't keep up with the flow of traffic, they should yield (or move over) for faster traffic. They are also not allowed to obstruct the road like that. The law is the law.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Blatant .

Interesting... lots of threatening behavior being portrayed here. Just remember next time you think about running down a cyclist, mav, it may be me behind you in my overcompensated, diesel burning tax sponge .... Never do really know your company now do ya!

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: @ An American

You are right. Everyone should read the laws relative to this discussion. It's even in this thread. You are required by law to safely pass slow traffic, even bikes, with the required safe distance. Trailer or not. Many of us locals, riders and non-riders, remember very well our dear friend Steve Walters who was killed by a negligent driver pulling a trailer. Steve was a nationally ranked cyclist, father, husband and dean at a local college.

Cyclist don't forget those accidents. Drivers shouldn't either.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Attentive Listener

An American- If you cannot legally pass, you do not pass. It's not rocket science. It makes no difference how many miles it might take. Politeness is nice, but the law is the law.

I bet you feel differently about it when me and my sportscar are stuck behind you and your trailer in several miles of double yellow.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: BIG E

If you impede traffic, run stop signs, and disobey traffic rules, you get a citation. You, as a bicyclist, HAVE to follow ALL rules of the road. I have rarely seen anyone on a bike who did not switch between pedestrian rules and car rules as they see fit. I have had to stop hard to avoid an incompetent bike rider on more than one occasion and been yelled at and flipped off when they were in the wrong. And as for threatening me with the fact that bikers carry, I do too, and I have a 3500 pound car to your 20 pound bike. So next time you want to threaten someone, think about what you say ... Bikes have to be registered and plated in a lot of other places in order to ride on the street, that should be the rule everywhere.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: To:Car Drivers Unite

My name is Christophe Noel. I've logged more than 200,000 miles on open roads spanning 25 years. You have not been threatened. You have been made aware that should you break the law and endanger any road user, including a cyclist, you will be held accountable and those repercussions could be as severe as the incident you cause. Same is true for cyclists breaking the laws.

That's not so hard to understand, now is it? So, what's your name, Mystery Man?

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: @ Car Drivers Unite

Cyclists are hardly militant haters with chips on our shoulders. At the root of it, we're just normal people who happen to like riding bikes. We're doctors, lawyers, students, policeman, teachers, hospital administrators, and oddly enough...military people. Maybe that makes us militant? A couple of our local riders are highway patrolmen, so keep that in mind as well.

We have the legal right to ride on the roads and we not only want to do so, we like to do so. The passion you read in the posts on this thread are fueled by two things. One, our desire to express what is simply the law. We're allowed to ride the roads, and we will. Secondly, we don't like having our lives threatened be it on the road or here on the faceless internet.

I agree there are polite riders just as there are discourteous riders. There are polite drivers and then there are those ... determined to end a life and end up in a jail cell. ...

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Dear Car Drivers Unite

Interesting you feel threatened by someone protecting themselves.

Nice twist there.

I don't recall seeing any bikers talk about slashing tires, kicking car doors, or purposefully trying to endanger drivers.

Sure were several drivers who intimated or specifically threatened the lives of cyclists.

Again, nice to see how your mind works.

P.S. How is a GoPro camera threatening to anybody? UNLESS they are doing something they shouldn't. Chew on that, cowboy.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Right on @roadrules read it bikers

I read the rules @ roadrules and have yet to see a bicyclist obey. The ones I see run the lights and four-way intersections and refuse to go the speed limit yet stay in the middle of the lane. You bikers have the righteous attitude of entitlement and then wonder why the motorists get upset. We are afraid of you. We are upset because if we accidentally hit you, you will die and we will be upset and in trouble. We are afraid to have you next to us on the road. We are afraid of what you will and will not do on the road. We are afraid of you. Your cavalier attitudes are no match against a 3 ton vehicle. So, we get upset when we have to drive with you on the roads, because it only takes one mistake and then.....

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Share The Road

I'm firm believer in share the road however, it goes BOTH ways.I drive in from Yarnell everyday and I have been frustrated with rude bicyclists, allthough I haven't tried to run any over! Come on bicyclists, you need to lose some of your arrogance too. It's not that hard to leave some room, it's more dangerous for you when you take too much and irritate motorists........

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: An American

@ Read the law......I regularly pull a trailer that is 102" wide, add that to your 36" of clear space from said handlebars on a bike that is in the traffic lane and 24" wide. Thats a total of 13'-6". Would you explane how I legally pass this bike on a streach of road that sometimes has 3 miles of double yellow and after I have lost all my gitty-up? I deal with this on a daily bases, and do apprieciate the polite peddle pusher. The arrogant one's sure get excited when my dogs scare the pee out of them. And me and fido hope they get two flat tires 20 miles from town.....That funny little English man who trespassed into my place a couple of years ago insisting I allow him to set up a water station on my place for him and his bike enthuiasts to use at will, that was funny, my dogs dont like arrogant trespasses much either. He sure left in a hurry, dont think he will be back............... My entire point is, polite and respectfulness will get you much further than forceful arrogance.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Tolerance: that's what I love about Hateville

Er, I mean Preskitt.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Car Drivers Unite

Well, there you have it. Clear proof that many bike riders really are going aroung with a chip on their shoulders. They are indeed a militant, angry and aggressive bunch. Not because I say so, but because of their actions we observe on a daily basis along the roadways AND their comments here on this article.

We have those who threaten us with guns, video cameras and legal actions. We have those who tell us they'll be looking for us. Then there's the one who calls us cowards for not using our real names on these comments...but he also uses a screen name. Yes folks, there you have it. It's the way they want it...the way they insist on it being. So be it.

Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012
Article comment by: Ted's Perspective

Not an expert on Road Rules, though I do understand the experience of riding on two wheels. Along with the joy of being on two wheels, mishaps are far more serious. Thus, riders tend to have a far more serious reaction to aggressive behavior towards them.

Riders know they should not impede traffic under most circumstances. (People) should not be comfortable in using the size of cars or trucks to threaten or assault riders. As some comments here have mention they take it seriously right or wrong, and seek some form of justice.

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