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2/6/2013 9:58:00 PM
Letter: Like Giffords said: Get something done

EDITOR:

Congratulations to Representative Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly, for taking a stand on gun violence. A "thank you" to the Courier for the editorial on the "common sense orders," which are part of the Affordable Care Act, concerning gun control.

Hello, Arizona State Legislature, are you listening? No one is trying to take away your guns. People are finally stepping up to do something about the violence. Wayne LaPierre, NRA's vice-president, was squirming in his seat, before the congressional committee, yesterday. He knew his answers held no water. Not when 80 percent of his own members want background checks. As Gabby said, "Now's the time to get something done." With her support, I know we will.

Mary Bradley

Prescott



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Reader Comments

Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer

Dear Mr. Alan Whitney,

If my efforts get rid of the likes of you from posting and belittling people in the name of "Free Speech" and "Gun Rights"...then it is WELL worth it.

Love,
Your Friend @ Alan Whitney


Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Alan Whitney

"Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer" wrote:

"Mr. Whitehead, you are right about my name though...I was never a DPS Officer... I just used this name to reflect the attributes of the person I was wishing to debate with."
***
What a stunning statement. Like the person who posts under my name, this person has problems with hate, that I can only suspect.

Be that as it may, they (or he -- it may well be one person) have turned this venue, which was supposed to exist for the free exchange of ideas, into something quite different.

Personally, I wonder if having to share these pages with such, is worth the effort.



Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer

Dear Mr. Phil Whitehead

Well look, another one that has no significant contribution to the conversation and therefore simply acts as a bully, resorting to name calling.

Mr. Whitehead, you are right about my name though...I was never a DPS Officer, nor am I retired. But, at 6'10" and 198 lbs I am far from fat. I just used this name to reflect the attributes of the person I was wishing to debate with.

Next time, I think I will use, FAT FISHERMAN, sound good?


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: no remorse for anyone un armed

she should have been armed and maybe she could have stopped her attacker, pretty simple isnt it. I dont fell bad for her at all, so taking guns is going to do what? Allow people to be shot at while totally defensless.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Phil Whitehead

Seems the only person who has less of a grip on reality here than the author, is our new "Frequent Poster"..."Fat, Retired, AZ DPS Officer". Who most likely is not a real officer, but the rest, I am sure is accurate. This is beginning to sound strangely like Honky Brujo used to... wind, blow, and absolutely no substance.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: An American

@ I guess you didn't hear: Yes we have heard, but we also listen to the others, others in our government and the UN, who never stop trying to find ways to restrict or remove firearms completely. They speak in forked tounges behind closed doors of "getting their foot in the door", "the camels nose under the tent", they will not openly divulge their full intent because they want to be re-elected. We also listen to history, and that has told us that every single time a government has told their citizens "if you give up this type of firearm, we will not go after those ones" and the end result was that nation was soon completley disarmed and the murder and crime continued....... You may trust in your government if you like, but their are those of us who are not that gullible.....The day will come, that even you will expect someone with a firearm to protect you, and in all your self gratifying brilliance, you spit in the face of your neighbors, the very folks who will willingly help protect you.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: I guess you didn't hear Finestein

"Nobody is trying to take your guns" I guess you have not been paying attention.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Alan Whitney

Dear Fat.

You wrote: "Mr. Whitney, your continued "ignorant bliss" is a sham and your constant belittlement of people that disagree with, or actually have better knowledge of a subject, than you is far from anything resembling civil discourse and debate."

***

Well. Thank you so much for your courteous critique.

Would it be a useful thing to point out that you are under no obligation to read my posts?


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer

Dear Mr. Tom Steele,

Perhaps you should read:

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Thomas Jefferson

Gotta give it to those founding fathers, at least they knew THEY didn't have all the answers.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer

Dear Mr. Alan Whitney and An Observer,

You are both right, and both wrong:

Amendment XV to the U.S. Constitution - Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870. - "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Yet - The answer actually depends upon where in the United States you are talking about. Free Blacks had the right to vote and actually held various elected offices throughout the North from the very beginning. The slaves states of the South did not allow blacks to vote, or do much of anything. The ratification of the 15th Amendment codified the right throughout the United States. The Jim Crow laws of the South were an attempt to avert the 15th Amendment until the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950's and finally of 1965 put an end to those laws, if not to the racist views, of the Southern States.

Mr. Whitney, your continued "ignorant bliss" is a sham and your constant belittlement of people that disagree with, or actually have better knowledge of a subject, than you is far from anything resembling civil discourse and debate.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Alan Whitney

"An Observer," your post speaks for itself.

(Are you in much pain?)


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: An Observer

Hey, Alan Whitney!!!!
Get your head out of the sand(I am being polite).

I guess you have not heard that the Civil Rights Act in the 60's gave the Blacks the Right to Vote.

They were not Allowed to Vote by the White Folk.
Maybe you read up on some History instead of listening to Right Wing Media.

Attached is a Summary of the Act:

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. 19731973aa-6) is a landmark piece of national legislation in the United States that outlawed discriminatory voting practices that had been responsible for the widespread disenfranchisement of African Americans in the U.S.

Would you like to leave another wise a.. comment?

Stick with me, kid. I will get you through.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Alan Whitney

Dear Observer,

"Blacks did not get to Vote until the 60's." (???)

And that was just the WORST of your post.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Craw Dad

I am sick and of the slippery slope the progressives have done, and been very sucsesful at, for 30 years or more.I read "they don't want to take your guns away just want sensible gun control". More back ground checks leads to registration which then the gov has data to confiscate.
NO WAY. Period.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: An Observer

@ Tom Steele,
No one is trying to "take your weapons" away.
Congress wants sensible Gun Control like Banning High Capacity Clips, Registering Guns and having Background Checks on everyone.

I have guns that have been Registered for 40 years(and no one has taken them away).
In fact, because it was "Registered", I got one gun back after it was stolen from my home. The Local Police called me and said they had my "Gun" that I had Reported Stolen.

Unless you commit a Felony, then Law Enforcement will take it away, not the BAD OBAMA as you guys LIE.

The only thing you Tea Partyer's have to offer to the Gun Problem is FEAR, nothing else. Why don't you guys give it up?

You also seem to be an "Expert" on "Our Founding Fathers" of the Constitution.

Well, let me inform you about "Your Founding Fathers", not mine.
"White Men" wrote the Constitution for "White Men".

When they wrote, "All Men Are Created Equal", they Literally meant "White Men Only".
Look back at the History of different People having to Fight for Equal Rights.
1. Slaves were not included.
2. Women were not included.
3. Immigrants, Legal or Illegal were not included.
4. Anyone born outside the U.S. was not included.
5. Gays were not included.
6. Blacks did not get to Vote until the 60's.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

Why do you think there have been so many Amendments and Supreme Court Decisions to give ALL PEOPLE their Rights?

So Please, Please STOP with "Our Founding Fathers B.S."


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Attentive Listener

@Right Track Wrong Train- Why have any laws at all? Some people will just break them.

And where is everyone getting the idea that referring to Gabrielle Giffords' victimization, which was truly awful, somehow means that we don't care about other people's victimization, which is also awful? If I say Newtown was terrible and should never happen again, does that somehow mean I endorse doing nothing about any other crimes? Illogical, dumb, and smacks of a media-constructed talking point.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Ernie Pyle

Useful idiots are of great value to the gun manufacturers and gun dealers as demonstrated by the sheep who pay $35.00 annually so they can display a nickel sticker.
Each time a discussion ensues concerning what to do about gun violence they line up to buy more guns and ammo so they can go to war against our democratically elected republic. In doing so they further enrich the gun dealers and manufacturers who could care less about your gun rights but care greatly for fleecing the sheep of their cash. They are laughing at you behind your back and pushing your buttons to incite unreasonable fear? This is the useful idiot syndrome in action. To this I say "Ewe be the fool"


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Alan Whitney

To Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer,

You wrote:

"Perhaps we should not let callous people that don't care how many people are killed with firearms every year (The United States is in the Top 10 of Nations with the WORST firearm fatality rate) voice their opinion either."

As a fellow retired DPS officer, I am very disappointed to hear you say that.

One reason is, that I did not suggest that anyone be prevented from voicing an opinion...


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Doug W

Mary,

I completely agree with you, something needs to be done. But unfortunately, after its all said and done, nothing will because our elective officials are choosing to put politics above people. Oh they could pass some kind of regulation on guns right now that will truly make a difference if its enforced. It will not completely solve the problem because gun violence is multi-layered but its a step in the right direction. But they wont because they are more afraid of losing their cushy jobs and not get re-elected.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Bad Buddha

Arden, I'm neither squirming nor tapping my feet. Are you denying that you are what you speak of? Are you in fact one of the useful ones? Or, are you one that denies and therefore, according to what you ascribe, actually are. Methinks you drink too much Kool-Aid. Babble on my friend.

Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Just A Thought

Let's see. The government tried to control alcohol with Prohibition. The government tried to control drugs with the War On Drugs. The government tried to control illegal immigration by securing the border. How well did that work? Now you want the government to control guns? Hey liberals, bad guys don't pay attention to government controls, only good guys do. Gun control will just make things easier for the bad guys. Just a thought.

Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Right track wrong train

@ attentive listener -- Obama's "common sense executive orders" ARE laws. Laws on top of laws on top of laws. And every one of them increases the power of the federal government and reduces the power of the people. Maybe you've been asleep through the entire drug war and believe that if we can just pass enough laws, all the bad things will go away. Maybe you should read up on that.


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: Fat Retired AZ DPS Officer

@ An American

I can't answer for Mary, but the fact that the United States is in the Top 10 for the worst firearm fatality rates in the world...yes, guns are a problem!


Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: When In Doubt, Whip One Out!

It's the American way: baseball, apple pie, and if things get testy shoot them. It's always been this way. It's part of American culture to shoot people if you're ticked off. Not in other countries. That guy who shot the dude and the lawyer in Phoenix is a classic example: Testy (legal) situation, hotheaded dude, goes straight to his car gets gun out of trunk, and blows 2 people away. Happens dozen of times a day in this country. Only makes the local news. I don't think it will ever change, it never has.

Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2013
Article comment by: I'm Smart Enough

to know if they come for my AKs and ARs today Tomorrow they will come for my hunting guns. What the Government wants to ban what they call assault rifles is used in .6% of the gun crime. You think this is about safety or they want to disarm the citizens.


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