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1/11/2013 9:56:00 PM
Letter: 'No guns' signs are an open invitation

EDITOR:

The recent slaughter at the grade school in Connecticut is an unimaginable tragedy that could never have been predicted. What can be predicted with pinpoint accuracy will be the national call to disarm honest, law-abiding citizens as a strategy to somehow prevent this from happening again. The hue and cry to collect and ban defensive weapons will propel politicians and those who worship the flawless power of government to trot out all the discounted myths of gun control that always miss the target.

What most opponents of the right to bear arms won't tell you is that the very likelihood of guns being present deters a vast majority crimes; ne'er a shot has to be fired. That's because cowards who open fire on innocent 6-year olds are encouraged by knowing that there is nothing on campus to stop them. Signs posted on the perimeter announcing "No Firearms Zone" virtually guarantee an unrestricted free-for-all to anyone evil enough to engage. But denying all citizens the right to protect themselves will in no way hinder the criminal-minded from carrying out their nefarious designs.

The greatest testament to the safety of a heavily-armed environment is the fact that no one has ever tried to storm a gun show, if they did they know they would look like Swiss cheese in a nanosecond."

PJ O'Malley

Mesa






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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

MORE GUNS=MORE PEOPLE KILLED. Every single time, and it makes perfect sense doesn't it?

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Dear Guns Are Not The Answer

I have one question for you... If a criminal is standing 40 feet from you and pointing a gun at you, what good is a taser going to do for you???

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Van Krunk

@ Just Saying. The 2nd amendment was drafted at a time when everybody used muskets, In fact most citizens had better firearms then the average military..... So that being said, now the military has FULLY auto weapons of which we've been denied and now they are trying to take away our semi autos. Shouldn't the citizen be equally equipped as a tyrannical government?

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Bill Salava

@Give'm Hell Harry You quote a lot of suppose facts but provide no reference as to where you got them. why should anyone believe you.

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Attentive Listener

@Andy Anderson- I'm not sure where you get off calling Harry's post full of statistics "rambling on with no facts". It's full of facts. Maybe, as Mark points out, it should be full of different facts, but it is anything but factless rambling, unlike your characteristically evidence-free two-line bumper sticker quotes. Seriously, do you just make things up to make yourself feel good?

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Another Opinion

A few days ago I visited a local community clubhouse. At the bottom of one of the entry doors I noticed the symbol for no guns on the premesis, for the first time.

The Sandy Hook incident immediately went through my head, knowing that no one inside could defend themselves or anyone else against an attacker with a gun.

And, that such an attacker would have every advantage in very clearly advertised vulnerable environment.

It gave me the chills.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Andy Anderson

@Give'm Hell Harry

Wow - nice post...ramble on some more with no facts.

So if we create more laws, surely people we follow those laws, right.? Even crazy people?

Ramble on, you only prove my point.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: mark knoke

Harry - sorry but Andy is right. Gun control didn't work in England or Australia...they traded one problem for another. Both now have very high violent crime rates in lieu of the reported lower gun deaths. In addition, the EU calls Great Britian one of the most dangerous of the EU countries. Look at the FBI statistics on crime in the US for the past 20 years...our gun deaths have gone down as well as violent crime has decreased. School crimes are down as well (thefts, violent crime..etc) Violent crime in schools is down from 53 per 1000 students to 14 per 1000 over the past 20 years. Point is - we're doing some things right. Some tweaks to the systems are needed but not the proposed gun control bans that we're hearing about which is way over the top. Improved security in schools, closing the private sale loop hole, and possibly armed guards in schools could be all that is needed. In addition some changes to the mental health system are long overdue.
By the way - TASERS ??? Seriously ? That is one shot - if you miss you are screwed. With your adrenaline pumping...you are scared...do you really only want 1 shot against a crackhead burglar invading your home ? In the CCW classes they teach you that in a shooting event, if you are lucky, you will be half as accurate as you are on your best day at the range....HALF as accurate if you are lucky. That is why a Taser is the worst idea.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Give'm Hell Harry

Andy Anderson, you say that gun controls in Australia or the U.K. or Chicago didn’t work. Unfortunately none of those claims are true.
In 1996, 12 days after a mass murder left 35 dead, the conservative Australian government implemented new gun control laws and a buyback program that resulted in a 59% decrease in gun deaths over the next decade. Additionally the previous decade had seen 11 mass shootings in Australia and since the new laws went into affect there have been zero. Similarly after a 1996 massacre, the U.K. instituted a new set of gun control laws. The results show that deaths from firearms dropped after implementation and have remained below pre-control rates for more than a decade. But even if the rhetoric were true and gun control laws in the UK had a negative impact it should be noted that the death rate from firearms in the U.S. stands at 10.2 deaths per 100,000 people while in the UK, that number is 0.25 per 100,000. So while the U.K. laws may not be perfect, it is the ultimate in the pot calling the kettle black to suggest the NRA “solution” of more guns and less gun control leads to better results.
And while it has been suggested that Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S., it also has a murder rate lower than Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Miami, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Washington D.C. A Harvard study shows where there are more guns there are more gun deaths. This suggests more guns do not act as a deterrent, as some gun advocates believe.
Armed guards may sound like a good idea, but unlike the disturbed individuals who commit acts of gun violence, these guards cannot shoot first and ask questions later. This is one of the reasons that mass shootings occurred at Columbine and Virginia Tech even though armed security guards were present. Armed guards are often outgunned in situations such as these. Expecting armed guards or armed citizens equipped with a hand gun to effectively counter the threat from an insane individual with semi automatic weapons, extended clips, and body armor is completely unrealistic. Contrary to the fear mongering from groups like the NRA, the vast majority of those calling for more gun control are not looking to eliminate the second amendment, they just want some incremental changes to reduce gun violence. Much like the federal changes to safety for motor vehicles, which resulted in a steady decrease in deaths from automobile accidents, we should consider changes that have been shown to limit gun-related deaths.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Andy Anderson

@Bob Lynne

Look at the facts of Chicago...one of the most restrictive gun places in the US. What are the murder rates via guns there? Ain't that a fact?


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Ted's Perspective

Society has created the problem, by passively allowing the slide away from individual responsibility and freedom. Instantly arming citizens is not a worry free solution. Respect and skills of using firearms is best acquired as a youth from the best role model, parents and responsible originations. NRA does this for teenagers via Elk Lodges in the rural area I was raised. For profit concealed weapon courses are at best a supplement to the before mention process. We cannot keep tragedies from occurring, but we can minimize the vulnerability to them.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Bob Lynne

Those on the right contend that we progressives do not look at the facts. I contend that the opposite is true. In fact this issue of guns is not a "big government" issue at all. It is actually about safety and protecting lives. I agree with others that more guns is not the answer. Certainly the idea that guns everywhere will deter someone from shooting in public is like the misnomer that the death penalty deters people from committing murder. Look it up, count the gun murders in the U.S.A.
The NRA is nothing more than a marketing/lobbying tool for the gun Mfgrs. They talk safety and training (this part is good), but their main goal in life is to sell more guns.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Give'm Hell Harry

The fallacy of your letter is: "the national call to disarm honest, law-abiding citizens" would describe any of these mass murderers prior to when they pulled the trigger. James Holmes was able to buy his weapons and then massive amounts of ammunition legally online!

In the rest of the civilized world, in countries which restrict gun ownership the gun homicide rates are very low. In England there are less than 20 per year in Japan there are less than 50 per year in European countries like Germany, Italy, or France there are less than 150 per year in Canada there are less than 200 per year. But here in the USA we have almost 10,000 gun homicides every year! Are any of these countries any less free than we are? On a per capita basis, only the violence plagued third world countries of South Africa, Columbia, Thailand, Guatemala, Paraguay, Zimbabwe, and Mexico have more gun murders than the US.

Here is the fact that really hurts the reason most cited for owning a gun: Every time a gun injures or kills in self-defense, one is used: 11 times for a completed or attempted suicide, 7 times in a criminal assault or homicide, and 4 times in an unintentional shooting death or injury. In fact, the ownership of guns recently made an elderly gun owner the victim of a gun crime right here in Prescott.

It is time to stop this insanity. First of all, we need much better oversight of gun dealers. Only 1% of gun dealers account for almost 60% of crime related guns recovered by police and later traced back them. In one year, at least 30,000 guns were “lost” out of gun dealers inventories with no account for them. Multiple gun sales to one buyer by a gun dealer were up to be 64% more likely to be used in a crime than individual gun sales. “No background check” gun sales account for an estimated 40% of gun sales in the U.S. Hell, we can't even check if gun buyers are on the "terrorist watch list" as part of the current background check. Now that's INSANITY!


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Very True

what you have said PJ. The libs I'd like to say aren't smart enough to know shootings like these only happen in gun free zones Then again I feel many do know it but the true agenda is to disarm the citizens and setup a Marxist State

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Veritas Semper

Criminals are for the most part stupid, but not always dumb. Burglars will pass by a home with a dog and security system to prey on those that have neither. Armed robbers, when seeing an advertisement that no one on the premesis is armed, just received an open invitation to do their harm.
The safest alternative for those concerned about their own safety would be to avoid any business that advertises that they have willingly set themselves up to become a victim.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Tom Lyle

you are right Pete. We need to protect ourselves from those who would cause us harm. The crooks and nuts will always find a way to get a gun. If guns are outlawed they will then use clubs, knifes, hammers, ice picks, home made bombs,and the list goes on and on.Look at the past history of the Romans,they didn't have guns and look at how many they killed. And not a shot was fired! The only way any Goverment can slave its people is take away any means to defend themselves.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: @ Alan Whitney

Excellent contribution to the conversation Mr. Whitney!

Very well thought out. Monosyllabic words suit you (like most gun nuts...)


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Tom Von Deck

That was a very well put presentation except for one thing. The national conversation you refer to is not about guns vs no guns. It's about possibly limiting AR-15's and similar weapons and about background check policies and what not. It's also about, as you mention, where firearms can and cannot be carried.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Just Saying

The 2nd amendment is in our Constitution for the "people" to be able to defend themselves against GOVERNMENT.
The Redcoats were in Lexington to confiscate weapons and arrest rebels. The framers of the Constitution placed the 2nd amendment into the Constitution primarily to allow citizens NOT to defend themselves or their country from a foreign invading power, rather to defend our liberties from GOVERNMENT. It seems the 2nd amendment is more necessary now than ever before.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Just Saying

The 2nd amendment is in our Constitution for the "people" to be able to defend themselves against GOVERNMENT.
The Redcoats were in Lexington to confiscate weapons and arrest rebels. The framers of the Constitution placed the 2nd amendment into the Constitution primarily to allow citizens NOT to defend themselves or their country from a foreign invading power, rather to defend our liberties from GOVERNMENT. It seems the 2nd amendment is more necessary now than ever before.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Sheesh Deluxe

Thou shall not kill. No exceptions, PJ, not even for you.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Just Saying

The 2nd amendment is in our Constitution for the "people" to be able to defend themselves against GOVERNMENT.
The Redcoats were in Lexington to confiscate weapons and arrest rebels. The framers of the Constitution placed the 2nd amendment into the Constitution primarily to allow citizens NOT to defend themselves or their country from a foreign invading power, rather to defend our liberties from GOVERNMENT. It seems the 2nd amendment is more necessary now than ever before.


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: The Rev

Well that was ...macho.

Swiss cheese? Aggressively firing upon an iffy target from multiple positions with undefined fields in uncoordinated force is usually deemed poor tactics. So what would you (PJ&Co) really do?


Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Hypocritical America

Yes, I agree, this is "reverse psychology" when told NOT to do something, an open invitation to the opposite. These gun laws about to be passed by congress are only a bandaid on a broken arm. A complete waste of time and money.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Say What?

Mr. O'Malley must have a very short memory. Remember Tucson--Safeway--2012. There was no "No Firearms Zone" sign at the Safeway. On a busy Saturday morning in an Arizona Safeway there are dozen of armed citizens in the store. But that fact did not deter the shooter.


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